Patrick Byrne

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

In particular, Irish were very much part of those enslaved Europeans. The shores of Ireland saw Muslim raiders, who stole Irish peasants back to Africa. THEY definitely became slaves. So in that sense, Irish absolutely WERE made chattel slaves. By African Muslims. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

That argument noted that the African slavery picture included: 10.5 million Africans stolen to America: - 6m to Brazil - 340k to USA (1st calculated by WEB Dubois, endorsed by Henry Lous Gates). 1.5 million Europeans stolen by Africa 60 million Africans stolen by Islam — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

However, by and large, I accept the thrust of Liam’s claims. I think he made some distinctions without differences, some quibbles, I quibbled back, but let’s agree he’s directionally correct. Good enough. However, that is a far cry from rebutting my overall argument. — PolitiTweet.org

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3) Liam considers primarily the case of Irish in Barbados. My claim was about the colonies that became the USA. My understanding was that in the 13 colonies there WERE Irish slaves before indentured servitude. Now unsure. Must investigate further, currently traveling. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

2) The ACTUAL treatment of the indentured servants was often worse than that of chattel slaves. This is predicted by labor market theory, and this is what was reported by contemporaries. Dig below for details. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

1) He ignores the context of Cromwell in Ireland. “To hell or Connaught!” Translation: either get to that rocky infertile part of Ireland known as, “Connaught,” or be put to the sword. The English treated killing an Irish in Ireland like killing a dog. So much for legal rights. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

So I accept the previous point, subject to the comments I made below it. However, the argument breaks down, for even if it is indeed the case that there were formally such rights in Barbados (the main focus of his enquiry), he is wearing blinders in three ways: — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

Liam other distinction, however, is infirm. It concerns the legal status of a chattel slave vs. an indentured servant. The indentured servant has SOME legal rights a slave lacks. They kept their names, had successful lawsuits for injury, and gave birth to free offspring. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

I must acknowledge the difference between indentured servitude of any kind, and chattel slavery. One is dire, but hope remains: the other is hopeless. I seem to recall Mr. Douglass noting this in a later writing of his. So on that we agree. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

If Liam is correct about this, however, I have two replies: — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

I note that while Liam claims that no Irish brought to the New World were chattel slaves, but all indentured servants (voluntary & involuntary). I have been of the understanding (perhaps false) that this is not so. Dive deeper for further discussion, or continue at this level. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

1) Referring to “Irish slavery” is incorrect because of distinctions between indentured servitude (voluntary & involuntary) from chattel slavery; 2) Doing so is a function of White apologetics, racism, etc. I’ll largely ignore Liam use of his magical mind-reader beanie. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

Again, Liam Hogan gives an excellent, careful historical reconstruction of an idea (“Irish slavery”) going back two centuries. His claim: — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

How to do that within the context of Twitter? I will write headlines of my many replies at this level, with supportive arguments buried beneath each. I appreciate the discussion with an honest interlocutor, not one who will jump to “Racist!” at the first sign of dissent. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

Thank you @econ_robinson for the links, which gave me a few hours of education. Hogan is a careful scholar and writer. I learned much. At times he quibbles, but it’s good history. I would like to do two things: 1) Reply to you re: Hogan 2) Fit it into the grander argument — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @greg_price11: The J6 Committee: - Lied about how Brian Sicknick died - Lied about Barry Loudermilk taking rioters on a reconnaissance… — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @simonateba: BREAKING - TAPE 2: @TuckerCarlson Tonight begins releasing Capitol surveillance footage from the Jan. 6 protests showing th… — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @AntonioSabatoJr: New Footage From Jan 6th Shows Cops Calling Protesters Inside Capital 'Pretty Cool'. This is why they've been hiding a… — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @TBifford: Alexandria Pelosi admitting J6 wasn't an insurrection. Tell me if you hear differently? These people are dangerous... IMHO 🔉… — PolitiTweet.org

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I worked with @ChrisCuomo 20 years ago, and at the time also found him to be straightforward and fair. A journalist’s journalist, frankly. I don’t know what happened to him at CNN, but I’m glad to hear he’s back on track. — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @ScottAdamsSays: In case you missed it last night, @ChrisCuomo did his homework, asked the hard questions, gave me time to add context,… — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @catturd2: We were right about J6. Conspiracy theorists are now 59-0 — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @elonmusk: @greg_price11 @Liz_Cheney @AdamKinzinger @RepAdamSchiff Besides misleading the public, they withheld evidence for partisan po… — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @greg_price11: The J6 Committee even had the footage showing that what they were saying was a lie yet they continued to lie to you. Evi… — PolitiTweet.org

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Indoctrination is a powerful thing. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

RT @DrLoupis: No wonder kids and healthy athletes are “suddenly” dropping dead. https://t.co/h08PsrnuOD — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @DC_Draino: A whole lot of DOJ prosecutors are going to get reported to state bars for prosecutorial misconduct after these Tucker clips… — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

@econ_robinson @Limerick1914 Thanks for giving me some time. I had a couple hours and worked through a response,@econ_robinson . I soon I will be in a place to finish it and post it. You seem thoughtful, and I look forward to being educated. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

@econ_robinson @Limerick1914 Thanks for giving me some time. I had a couple hours and if you were working through a response,@econ_robinson . I assume I will be in a place to finish it and post it. You seem thoughtful, and I look forward to being educated. — PolitiTweet.org

Patrick Byrne @PatrickByrne

RT @TuckerCarlson: Virtually no one in Washington, Republican or Democrat, wanted to see this tape released tonight. https://t.co/YfpvaIZTbn — PolitiTweet.org