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@ijbailey @AOC Quote the part that suggested it, then — PolitiTweet.org

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If you're following the war in Ukraine don't miss the top article linked here in this anomolously unpaywalled Best of Journalism https://t.co/bO467TsHuQ — PolitiTweet.org

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@ijbailey @AOC No, it didn't. It was flawed and suggested untrue things, but that isn't one of them, and AOC knows damn well that isn't the belief of the Times editorial board. — PolitiTweet.org

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@trizzlor @vituperativeerb I can list a lot more people who've been unjustly fired or otherwise punished as a result of "cancel culture" than you can list people who've been fired or unjustly punished in a moral panic about it. True? — PolitiTweet.org

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Who asserted that @aoc? — PolitiTweet.org

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Link to the piece in which those excerpts appear for those who want more context https://t.co/CL3cnLF3Jf — PolitiTweet.org

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As he sees it, they hate each other, but need each other too https://t.co/oxe1xlFiQ0 — PolitiTweet.org

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Critics of the successor ideology sometimes have debates about whether its promulgators are true believers or power hungry opportunists. Martin Gurri argues that it is actually an uneasy coalition of both types: https://t.co/CscVGZILyU — PolitiTweet.org

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To those objecting that permanent DST would force more people to commute & wait for the school bus in the dark: we should also shift school start times and business hours later! And then also shift to a Spain-style dinner schedule. #EndtheReignofMorningPeople — PolitiTweet.org

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To those objecting that permanent DST would force people to commute & wait for the school bus in the dark: we should also shift school start times and business hours later, and then also shifting to a Spain style dinner schedule. #EndtheReignofMorningPeople — PolitiTweet.org

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@MoralHazardPay @trizzlor @ijbailey Exactly. — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor Contrary to your instincts, younger people are more likely than older people to say they had held their tongue for fear of harsh criticism, perhaps because younger people were also more likely to engage in harsh criticism https://t.co/zXkuxWgEJX — PolitiTweet.org

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@Henderburn @johnstodder Peter, specify a point you'd like me to reply to and I'll do so. — PolitiTweet.org

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@ijbailey Do you think anyone actually refrained from criticizing Cuomo or Putin because they invoked cancel culture? — PolitiTweet.org

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When I wrote this article in 2015 I thought it illustrated a significant divide in the culture at Yale https://t.co/MOQxPFr1K9 Others disagreed. In light of subsequent events there I think it holds up pretty well. — PolitiTweet.org

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@page88 @adamdavidson @davidshor @jonronson When I started in newspapers my understanding was that a reporter would be fired for fabricating, e.g. even a single quote, even as inconsequential as a made up person in the stands at a high school basketball game said "Go team." — PolitiTweet.org

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On the cascading Russia boycotts: here's how to sanction Vladimir Putin while hurting fewer innocents and inflicting less needless harm on Russian nationals https://t.co/CqQeIfpEGZ — PolitiTweet.org

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@page88 @adamdavidson @davidshor @jonronson That said, there's a process/outcome divide in some cases, where we might ultimately agree someone deserved to be fired, or convicted, on the facts, even though we're rightly uncomfortable with, say, a lack of due process, or a jury tainted by mob pressure. — PolitiTweet.org

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@page88 @adamdavidson @davidshor @jonronson directly related to work, not a non-work thing that we were punishing with loss of livelihood; that there is no chilling effect to worry about in the SG case; you go through the deeper reasons and see how that was distinguishable — PolitiTweet.org

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@page88 @adamdavidson @davidshor @jonronson I would point out that fabulism, to use the SG example, was a clearly established rule, violation of which got one fired; that the firing was due to the outcome of an investigation that correctly found him guilty, not caving to a pressure campaign; that the sin was — PolitiTweet.org

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@page88 @adamdavidson @davidshor @jonronson Well, a couple thoughts. One reason cancel culture is a flawed term is that its connotation is so negative it's almost baked into the denotation, but then it's so hard to define in a coherent and principled way without having some "good" cancellations. But if we dig deeper — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson The threat to democracy and civic culture that emerges when vast numbers of people are self-censoring about hotly contested matters that we're still adjudicating, as opposed to settled taboos--I don't think self-censoring is a problem, e.g., when it merely means no using slurs — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson The removal or disappearance of art now considered problematic from museums and cultural archives, as if the response to problematic art is to disappear it Taliban style from the cultural record rather than to grapple with it. — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson I have many additional concerns, and particular concerns, about sense-making institutions--the press, academia, and even comedy clubs--because I believe in what Rauch calls liberal science, and the places where it happens are being attacked by people who don't share its values — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson A chilling effect rooted partly in the fact that no one quite knows what isn't allowed. It isn't like the 8 words you can't say on TV. It's ill-defined, and offense archaeologists resurface things that were considered fine at the time and bad now to get others in trouble — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson The deployment of moral grandstanding and secondary boycotts in highly charged controversies where institutional actors then decide based on PR concerns and self preservation rather than what they believe to be right, often reversing themselves to placate the mob — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson A public discourse rooted not in mere disagreement, sometimes strenuous, or even mockery, but punitiveness, and a Puritanical authoritarian sense among the punitive that they are doing Elect work — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson An ascendant idea that social justice is advanced by, or perhaps even demands, depriving "bad" people of. their livelihoods, with no fixed definition of bad. — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson Technological changes that have made it much easier for mobs of people to significantly alter the lives of others in arbitrary, capricious, often unjust ways, and so far, the dearth of new digital norms to reduce frequency and harm of such cases. — PolitiTweet.org

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@adamdavidson @page88 @davidshor @jonronson I agree with him, too, and grant that "cancel culture" is a flawed term, sometimes invoked on behalf of concerns I don't share. I also think many people who use it are referring imperfectly to things that ought to concern us greatly. Here are some of those things: — PolitiTweet.org