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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@hanorahann @emily_rj @tarahaelle @oneunderscore__ These critics are *against inquiry.* One is simply supposed to know the right answer. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@jonesm80 Who is "we"? I'm saying *you* evidently aren't if the conclusion you reached is that I'm uninterested in the opinions of others--something I literally round up twice a week after conceiving a newsletter for that purpose. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@Lunania_O Yes, they do. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@rinanpakkala But I'm also early in thinking about this and seeing where everyone is at too. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@rinanpakkala I haven't said *never teach that* but rather *maybe 4 is too early for that concept* — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@rinanpakkala Again, my instinct here is that to understand "non-binary" as it is used in our society requires first understanding the paradigm it is rejecting. If you don't think 4 year olds understand that paradigm aren't they less rather than more able to understand non-that? Regardless, — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@rinanpakkala I wouldn't use the word odd. I would say non-binary strikes me as relatively complex, in that it's a rejection of a construct, thus requiring an understanding of what is being rejected to meaningfully grasp, and wonder if most 4 year olds have that foundation — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@rinanpakkala There's a rather large gap between *this concept might not scan for 4 year olds* and *only the status quo serves children best*! I'm not sure about the former but I definitely agree with you that the latter is the wrong posture to take. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@webdevMason Isn't it wild? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@rasmansa It's from the curriculum in District 65, Evanston, Illinois. Not sure how many places teach similarly. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@jeffjarvis You're not very good at reading comprehension, Jeff. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@emily_rj @jonesm80 @brooklynmarie What haven't I accepted? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@emily_rj @tarahaelle @oneunderscore__ I have looked for research on that narrow question. I haven't yet found any. It is not shameful to then ask others, "have you found any such research?" That is what journalists do: ask lots of questions of everyone and become informed by following up on helpful answers. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @oneunderscore__ Of course. No one has advocated for making kids ashamed of who they are! — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @AlanLevinovitz @ASFried @oneunderscore__ Some of its feminist critics believe it is enforcing the falsehood that everyone else is binary when they believe that no one is binary--that everyone is on a gender spectrum and has both estrogen and testerone. I'm trying to dig up an essay I read on this a couple years back. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@DavidOAtkins @3vanSutton I am beginning to doubt that we have the same understanding of age-appropriate. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@gracels @BostechLegal Liar https://t.co/bbYOrkRPvo — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@leekassen Sure, Harry, the question is when can they meaningfully learn that? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@SkylarJordan I think you're mistaking my position. I agree that the language about gays and lesbians is fine and age appropriate. My only reservation was whether the concept of non-binary is intelligible to 4 year olds. I suspected not. Some people disagree. That's the conversation. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@jonesm80 I would direct you to my response above. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @WFKARS I think it's worth thinking through such concepts with people of diverse viewpoints. One cost to doing so is that lots of strangers reflexively attack anyone who tries, so fewer people are willing to even engage in these conversations. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@jonesm80 @emily_rj @brooklynmarie First, it isn't as though an expert consensus exists on this. Second, I am in fact doing other reporting. Third, I want to know what my fellow Americans think and why and where they disagree, not just what the latest pedagogy research says. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@LordColdemort @TaylorLorenz I cosign that 1oo percent. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@evisokey @jduffyrice This isn't behind anyone's back. The curriculum is posted online by the school — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @oneunderscore__ If you think there is consensus evidence on matters like *is pre-k the optimal age to introduce the concept of non-binary* I think you are mistaken, but please, if I'm wrong, point us all to evidence of that consensus evidence. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @WFKARS If you want to have constructive exchanges with people, I suggest you stop implying that they are acting in bad faith even as they go to extended efforts to converse with you. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @WFKARS That too sounds totally reasonable. Reading replies/emails I think one source of confusion is simultaneously teaching that gender is socially constructed *and* that it's something you feel/know in your heart to kids whose sense of gender was socially constructed by that person — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tarahaelle @scribunda @WFKARS That seems totally reasonable to me. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@jkass99 I don't know what that means, Joe. I have been saying what I mean, to anyone who has engaged with me. You seem to have a mistaken idea about what that is. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@emily_rj @brooklynmarie I agree that we should teach about all family types and never made any contrary claim. My only q about that except was whether 4 year olds can understand the concept of non-binary, which is a different question — PolitiTweet.org
