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Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@zooko ...too much attention to "politics", being nice & friendly, can easily hamper objective criticism, so much needed here... @bleidl — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@zooko And I think that the most important thing, esp. when building a secure system, is... to be frank about each other's ideas... @bleidl — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl I'm worrying about finding required dev force and directing it all towards a common goal. Otherwise we're all doomed to loose. — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl I disagree: Qubes -> platform, Subgraph -> one of the templates (like Whonix), plus inter-VM services for common tasks. — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
We should not be competing with our niche projects, but team up together to compete with giants like OSX, Windows, and even Ubuntu. @bleidl — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl Right, but that means we're losing resources, which otherwise could have been directed more efficiently... — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl And this has already started! See e.g. @Whonix work on porting their work to @QubesOS to work seamlessly. We need more. — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl We need to much much intensify efforts and cooperation if we want to make a dominant free secure OS (aka replace Ubuntu). — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl NetVM is just one of many things. Other: USB h/w and stacks, storage, other devices, trusted boot. All not solvable w/ Linux kernel. — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
The apps/usability ppl should work _together_ with the system/hw people towards a secure platform, not against! /cc @subgraph @bleidl #IMHO — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl ...which you cannot address with a monolithic system. See e.g.: http://t.co/gWFfV8ZYsA (2/2) — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl Even if you can make drivers & stacks hard to exploit (which I doubt) there remains problem of the compromised/malicious h/w... (1/) — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
... not a half dozen of "secure desktop OSes", each with its own peculiarities, ecosystem, community. #HellForUsers — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl Probably, and that's of great value. But important we all focus on making one, strong, usable platform. Incl. h/w! — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
. @bleidl Not true, you forget about the need to isolate the devices and stacks out of the TCB, smth you cannot do on Linux. @grsecurity — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@bleidl You might be correct ;) But than, again, your path with monolithic kernel has no possible future, security-wise, does it? — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
. @bleidl Yes :) In security there is no room for politics and politeness, if it conflicts with merit, don't you agree? — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
. @AnonyOdinn @QubesOS is free software, so using the language of competition and diversity is not quite fortunate here @subgraph @bleidl — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@AnonyOdinn @subgraph @QubesOS @bleidl Because: https://t.co/VO290bemE7 — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
Seriously, the last thing we need to success is fragmentation in the "Secure Desktop OS" market /cc @bleidl — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
Instead creating another OS doomed to be insecure due to architecture, why not join forces and help us make @QubesOS more usable, @bleidl? — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
How about defending also attacks against hardware, drivers, kernel subsystems, @bleidl? Your arch can't scale for these, can it? @mjg59 — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
... at least at a decent payroll :) ($400k for a dev per year) https://t.co/ZFn5hRtL9W — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
"We can make a secure desktop OS in 12-months with 5 dev!" <- reminds me what I thought in 2010... Heh :) https://t.co/SNhXXCkDyc — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@parityzero Also just filled another (this time with reporting enabled): https://t.co/6KWh6raffB Leme know if need more @laparisa — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@parityzero The issue: https://t.co/bzZPXOjOm2 I will check chrome://crashes next time I reprorduce. Thx. @laparisa — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@thegrugq Heh ;) No, that they are actually trusted...? @DrPizza @passingthehash @alexwebr — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@passingthehash FWIW, I've recently upgraded to 3.0-rc2 on my main laptop. @thegrugq — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@thegrugq What makes you think that? @DrPizza @passingthehash @alexwebr — PolitiTweet.org
Joanna Rutkowska @rootkovska
@laparisa No prob. This waited so many months, could wait a few more days ;) @googlechrome — PolitiTweet.org
