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Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk The agreement was violated. It's a fact. It remains violated (see: Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics, Crimea). It's not an irrelevant data point. Don't you agree? — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk But thank you for your candor. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk It's beyond infuriating for those of us who have friends and relatives on both sides of the border, who actually know this shit. But Ryan Grim can go ahead and keep wanking on this website about how he's against the U.S. intervention in Ukraine that will never even happen. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk It's this weird leftie straw man argument that the U.S. is about to go to war with Russia when nothing could be further from the truth. It has never been true and won't be true for, I don't know, ever? It's just virtue signaling bullshit while 1000s of lives hang in the balance. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk I mean, we heard the same thing in 2014, the first time Russia invaded and violated the agreement, but what was the result? Literally none of the people in charge, in any of the administrations since 2014, has wanted to go to war with Russia for obvious reasons. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk I think it's not a super relevant point. They were on their territory, they gave them up. There were no guarantees of military assistance if the agreement were violated. https://t.co/5HBdHaxyMA — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk And I'm still wondering what your narrow point was trying to prove and why it was made. Can you please explain? — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk This is one of the many reasons that the U.S. did not intervene when Russia, a party to the agreement, breached it. And one of the many reasons the U.S. won't intervene now. Once again, the actual text of the agreement, here, for your perusal. https://t.co/O91Mxnzssq — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz @ArmsControlWonk "but that's irrelevant in my view" Ukraine did, in fact, give up the nuclear weapons on its territory in exchange for territorial sovereignty, even if the the guarantee of what that meant was purposely left vague. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz Also wondering, what, exactly, are you trying to prove? The 1994 pact didn't say the U.S. was bound to defend Ukraine militarily. Just not sure what this argument is about. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz I respect you, man, but don't try to mansplain Russia/USSR shit to me. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz As late as 1998-2000, they're still negotiating on various warheads, according to the thing you yourself posted. https://t.co/0Tkuqv05DH — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz Wait, did you actually read what you just linked to? Because this article says that the government of Ukraine had nuclear weapons until 1994. Ukraine declared its independence in August 1991, and the USSR ceased to exist December 1991. https://t.co/Mp578yqdNl — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz https://t.co/Xo9wJ8aiQX — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz Here's the text of the actual agreement: "Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time." https://t.co/O91Mxnzssq — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz https://t.co/UeblIt5NLX — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KarenAttiah @Spotify 🔥 — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
Oh, cool. "Auschwitz" is trending. I love this website. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@jeffjarvis @MiriamElder I'm closing in on 200K. Going to be a fucking chainsaw massacre when I'm done. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@ryangrim Again, please point me to where this was ever on the table in regards to Ukraine. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@ryangrim Please point me to a pledge of American military intervention. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@KatzOnEarth @rachel_dz They did, but let it go in 1994 as a guarantee of their territorial sovereignty. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
Then I very, very carefully wheeled it over to @MiriamElder who said, "Omg, that's so many pages, why didn't you print on both sides of the page." And I said, "....I did." — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
Last night, I had a nightmare that I had finally finished a draft of my book, printed it out, stacked the papers neatly, and then put them on one of these because that's how tall the stack was and it was the only way to move the finished draft. https://t.co/WfxIc1seor — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@ryangrim Also, should the U.S. not help Ukraine on the diplomatic front? Because, at this point, there is zero indication that American troops will be involved in any way. But are you against diplomatic involvement, too, even if it prevents a war and many thousands of deaths? — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@ryangrim What is our fight? Do we have any fights? — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@rachel_dz That's right. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
@ryangrim You're right. That would solve everything. Now, if the Biden administration could just pull back the 130,000 American soldiers, the tanks and artillery with which they've surrounded Ukraine on three sides. Oh, wait. — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
RT @shaunwalker7: Calls today: Putin/Biden Putin/Macron Macron/Zelensky Putin/Lukashenko Everyone accusing everyone else of preparing for… — PolitiTweet.org
Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe
RT @shaunwalker7: Foreign office confirms that UK members of the OSCE monitoring mission will be withdrawn from Ukraine. Along with US memb… — PolitiTweet.org
