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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
You are mistaken, .@RichardBee001 People don't understand what it is that the death penalty deters. Find out here https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Richard Bee @RichardBee001
@ClarkeMicah @mjbrooks_89 You believe "there's no difference in principle", but in practice, such "dangers within"… https://t.co/7KqHARi3wv
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@hostingsmarts. On the contrary, a rigorously applied death penalty deters dangerous violence and the use of lethal weapons. Evidence here https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
HostingSmarts @hostingsmarts
@ClarkeMicah @prayerborne The deterrent argument is so lame. Prisons are full, they're not deterring criminals, sho… https://t.co/4hebjD8Ozg
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
That , .@prayerborne, is because the death penalty is not truly practised in the USA. Even in the supposed 'death penalty states' which occasionally carry it out, just look at the number of executions compared to the number of murders. See: https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Prayerborne @prayerborne
@ClarkeMicah @18tintaweb There's no deterrent value in the death penalty, as practiced in the U.S., and especially… https://t.co/0hN3xc3VQ5
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
For 'rarely', read 'never'. .@18tintaweb. I suspect they're much more likely to die from choking on their food than from execution. And they know it. — PolitiTweet.org
Just asking @18tintaweb
@ClarkeMicah The Sword of Damocles hangs over inmates on the literal 'Death Row', in the US, which I concede is the… https://t.co/x6XY9TehaP
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
WEll, .@lancasterishome I have watched it, and my response is that the mother of the dead person may, if she wishes, forgive the killer for what he did to *her*. But nobody can forgive *on behalf* of the dead. Also this was a manslaughter case and a short sentence. — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Gibson @LancasterIsHome
@shaun_hutchings @ClarkeMicah Try watching this and telling me the same https://t.co/LBdk6ha9K9
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
On the contrary, @bsnews , it was not irrefutable. Personally, I doubt that the juries in those trials would have convicted if we *had* the death penalty at that stage. Jurors do not like sending people to their deaths. — PolitiTweet.org
bsnews @bsnews1
@18tintaweb @ClarkeMicah Pretty sure evidence was irrefutable in the cases of the Birmingham Six and the Guildford… https://t.co/6dX8oNDzof
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@DaveYates86 Then the court will not convict. And it *is* better that many guilty people go free than that one innocent person is wrongly punished. — PolitiTweet.org
DaveYatesLDN @DaveYates86
@Manxkipper1 @AwayFromTheKeys @ClarkeMicah You can’t argue it’s the legal penalty when the whole disposal it should… https://t.co/ABwaEmGIGM
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@18tintaweb. I simply do not agree. While I think that long terms of imprisonment are cruel, it is absurd to state these two utterly differnet things are the same. — PolitiTweet.org
Just asking @18tintaweb
@ClarkeMicah @LancasterIsHome a life sentence with no chance of parole is effectively 'Death Row'
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Innocent people killed by failures of the criminal justice system. Why aren't liberals (who are rightly outraged when innocents are wrongly executed) more troubled by murderers set free to kill again? https://t.co/wzsDkL1Qwr — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome. Some (though not named) feature here https://t.co/OnghHuZErM Bear in mind also that every two years, three convicted murderers, released after serving prison sentences, then kill again. — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Gibson @LancasterIsHome
@djneils98 @ClarkeMicah OK if there’s “literally” dozens of them then provide examples of them.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 .@mickginge. This is because several policies which inevitably lead to the deaths of large numbers of innocent people have wide popular support,often from political leftists and liberals. So they don't really mean it. See https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Micky @MickyGinge
@ClarkeMicah Interesting you didn't use an example of someone being wrongly executed and ask if that was wrong
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 .@MickyGinge As I am not arguing in favour of executing innocent people, there would be little point in my doing so. However, I do challenge the argument that any policy which mght lead to innocent deaths is axiomatically wrong'. — PolitiTweet.org
Micky @MickyGinge
@ClarkeMicah Interesting you didn't use an example of someone being wrongly executed and ask if that was wrong
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@Dubski_01 . Does the state tell us that? I confess I have not heard it say so. — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Give it a try , .@theboybroomie. You could try to explain what moral principle would be violated by executing this unrepentant mass murderer, after a fair and open trial. — PolitiTweet.org
James Broome @TheBoyBroomie
@ClarkeMicah Simple answer: Yes. Long answer is probably too long for Twitter.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Facts and reson on the death penalty, rather than the usual emotion and prejudice. https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@bsnews1 False . I do not think the death penalty can be used at present, as there are nothing like enough safeguards against wrongful conviction. — PolitiTweet.org
bsnews @bsnews1
@wilfsboon @ClarkeMicah @LancasterIsHome Exactly. If @ClarkeMicah is not prepared for himself or members of his fam… https://t.co/jCsOH8yKwX
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome. If you will not argue seriously, I will not waste any more time on you. — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Gibson @LancasterIsHome
@ClarkeMicah I stuck to the same point. Harsher sentencing whether it be the death penalty or longer jail terms in… https://t.co/gTz1ekTSJS
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome. I’m not even arguing about that. The US justice system is their business, and I do not much like it. I am simply objecting to the lazy, ignorant claim that the USA has an operational death penalty, and that its homicide rate is affected by it. — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Gibson @LancasterIsHome
@ClarkeMicah Thankfully so. While I’m sure you would happily have the solitary say and sign them off to their death… https://t.co/uY9EivYYED
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@ciaran46045415 To be civilised, you *have* to learn to read or listen to people whose opinions are different from yours. If you stop paying attention when they say something you don’t like, you are failing in your duty as a citizen of a free country. — PolitiTweet.org
Ciaran @Ciaran46045415
@ClarkeMicah Got about twenty words in up to 'zelensky is a 21st cebtury hero'
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @BrigadeBrexit: @ClarkeMicah @MailOnline I doubt there would be enough teachers that are qualified enough to teach at Grammar schools th… — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Matthew Parris once again demonstrates his capacity to think, while others shout. ‘Our help for Ukraine has strings attached’ https://t.co/kvLIqBRj4Q — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@mjbrooks_89 There is no difference in principle between maintaining lethal armed forces licensed to kill, to deter attacks from without, and maintaining a death penalty to deter danger from within. — PolitiTweet.org
MJ Brooks @mjbrooks_89
@ClarkeMicah I do see those points, they are good ones. For me it comes down to a pragmatic distinction that needs… https://t.co/RjeyXZAiEW
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome . See for example Louisiana figures here. https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome. Don’t be silly. What stands between them and death is a justice system which is hugely reluctant to execute anyone, and takes every chance to avoid doing so. — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Gibson @LancasterIsHome
@ClarkeMicah Additionally, while it’s comparatively rarely used 2,414 US inmates are on ‘death row’ having been sen… https://t.co/IkUjhci2Ga
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome. Why not stick to the subject you raised? Is your change of tack an admission that, yes, the death penalty is in reality hardly ever carried out in the USA (never in most of the 50 states)? It should be.(btw I do not advocate ‘three strikes’) — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Gibson @LancasterIsHome
@ClarkeMicah OK then. Try the three strikes rule or harsher sentencing. Again, it doesn’t work. https://t.co/SwksRfWXhS
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
PETER HITCHENS: How utopians sabotaged grammar schools https://t.co/h3jBEY8HAt via @MailOnline — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@indiechris71 It days ‘Thou shalt do no murder’ . — PolitiTweet.org
Christopher Day @IndieChris71
@ClarkeMicah I thought you were a Christian? Doesn't the bible say 'Thou shalt not kill'? Or do you think that only… https://t.co/oRTlz1ZViv
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lancasterishome . The US death penalty is a political fiction, almost never actually used. Please see: https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@alexhallhall . Please read : https://t.co/OnghHuZErM — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@alexhallhall Nobody says the death penalty *will* bring anyone back. But there is strong evidence that it would prevent future crimes. So they wouldn’t be lost in the first place. — PolitiTweet.org
alexandra hall hall 🇺🇦🌻 @alexhallhall
@MishehooA I respect that point of view, but for me, it’s absolute. I recognize I might struggle if someone very cl… https://t.co/Z5VhKHxpQv
