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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Not when the nerve referred to is persisting in making statements contrary to observable facts. @fatuoustec. — PolitiTweet.org
Fatuous Tec @FatuousTec
@Mr_Andrew_Fox @ClarkeMicah “Paratroopers are famous for their nerve”. Has to be the reply of the day.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 @mr_andrew_fox Of course *you* may be looking for justifications for the Russian invasion, in which case that is *your* problem. But it is not mine if you abuse and delibertaley misunderstand my arguments in this way. I think you had better go now. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
Because, @ClarkeMicah, your entire earlier post has *the effect* of justifying Russia’s actions. You are making th… https://t.co/XIdONa50c1
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 .@mr_andrew_fox. No, the only way that it could have such an aim or effect would be if I had stated that aim. As I have been saying for more than a year that the invasion was a disgusting, crazy lawless action, that cannot be be so. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
Because, @ClarkeMicah, your entire earlier post has *the effect* of justifying Russia’s actions. You are making th… https://t.co/XIdONa50c1
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I operate what I call the presumption of intelligence, @mr_andrew_fox. I will debate with anyone who responds reasonably, honestly and thoughtfully. But once I conclude that my opponent has no intention of doing these things, I think ad hominem both justified and necessary . — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
Well, you’re clearly more au fait with ad hominem fallacy than I am, @ClarkeMicah. Posting an entire article blami… https://t.co/e82rA0pO67
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@mr_andrew_fox . I see no figures or methodology here. Are they saying that in 2017 a Kiev-based organisation polled Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea? — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@ClarkeMicah https://t.co/P48hr6rK2v It was cross-Ukraine polling, with lower scores for joining NATO in the south… https://t.co/hco7EpTyfd
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
4/4..@mr_andrew_fox How *anyone* of any sense cannot see that a violent, foreign-backed putsch against an elected government disenfranchises the voters, I cannot tell. When you have let me know, I'll resume. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
1/3 Paratroopers are famous for their nerve, @ClarkeMicah. The Euromaidan is absolutely irrelevant to Russia’s cur… https://t.co/j8TA1zkW0u
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/4 .@mr_andrew_fox. Much of that propaganda involves pretences that Ukraine is a proper free, law-governed country, a saint among nations, when in fact it is remarkably similar to Russia, a corrupt and unfree mess. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
1/3 Paratroopers are famous for their nerve, @ClarkeMicah. The Euromaidan is absolutely irrelevant to Russia’s cur… https://t.co/j8TA1zkW0u
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/4 .@mr_andrew_fox The events of 2014 are very much the business of UK citizens, who are being propagandised into a European war which endangers them and their homes for no discernible reason. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
1/3 Paratroopers are famous for their nerve, @ClarkeMicah. The Euromaidan is absolutely irrelevant to Russia’s cur… https://t.co/j8TA1zkW0u
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/4 .@mr_andrew_fox In my experience, real combat soldiers don't go on about it. Whatever you did, or jumped out of, your reading and comprehension skills are startlingly poor. Look carrefully now: I...am...not....trying....to....justify...the....Russian... Invasion.Clear now? 🔬 — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
1/3 Paratroopers are famous for their nerve, @ClarkeMicah. The Euromaidan is absolutely irrelevant to Russia’s cur… https://t.co/j8TA1zkW0u
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Yes .@mrcfromc, I did, and if anyone had paid any attention then it would have worked. But the chance long ago passed. — PolitiTweet.org
Mr C🇬🇧GSTK🇨🇦🇦🇺🇳🇿CANZUK @MrCfromC
@MattChr83 @KEdge23 Peter Hitchens said the same many years ago
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 @tryingtolearn. Moral rightness is of course easier for religious persons, who believe (as I do) that they are governed by an unalterable set of divine laws. But everyone else is a bit stuck. I should have thought all this was evident. — PolitiTweet.org
TryingToUnderstand @Trying0Learn
@ClarkeMicah @Steve_in_TO Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah, I’ve seen you say this before as well as telling people who… https://t.co/4BOFlKe2QA
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 @tryingtolearn. If someone is arguing about facts, he can be demonstrably right or wrong. If two people who share a moral position argue about the morailty of an action, one can be wrong (or both) . But opinions on most things vary and no *opinion* is necessarily *right* . . — PolitiTweet.org
TryingToUnderstand @Trying0Learn
@ClarkeMicah @Steve_in_TO Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah, I’ve seen you say this before as well as telling people who… https://t.co/4BOFlKe2QA
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/3 .@mr_andrew_fox . Can you name the 2017 poll of which you speak, provide a link to it, and tell me if it was conducted throughout the territory of Ukraine, as established in 1991? — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@Faded_Memory_78 @WilliamYearnor @ClarkeMicah 2017 polls had 69% of Ukrainians in favour of joining NATO. This who… https://t.co/CZyw928Ysa
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/3 @mr_andrew_fox You *know* I do not seek to justify Russia's equally reprehensible actions. Why then do you keep repeating this false charge? Do you not understand the primacy of truthfulness in civilisation? — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@Faded_Memory_78 @WilliamYearnor @ClarkeMicah 2017 polls had 69% of Ukrainians in favour of joining NATO. This who… https://t.co/CZyw928Ysa
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/3 .@mr_andrew_fox. You have a nerve. The forehgn-backed violent lawless overthrow of Ukraine's elected government most certainly *disenfranchised* Ukrainian sovereignty and also split the country. And you waver between condoning it or pretending it didn't happen. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@Faded_Memory_78 @WilliamYearnor @ClarkeMicah 2017 polls had 69% of Ukrainians in favour of joining NATO. This who… https://t.co/CZyw928Ysa
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Fear destroyed the senses of humour of millions in 2020, or they might have paid more attention to this brilliantly satirical 2010 Simpsons episode https://t.co/eD2pN5VO1h (mentioned in my Mail on Sunday Column, now available through Mailplus https://t.co/z7C6I1jlrv — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Worth watching just for the shots of the undelightful Oleh Tiahnybok posing beside Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland and John McCain abt 38 mins) , this is a fascinating film about Ukrainian politics. No wonder the Ukrainian Embassy in Paris didn't like it . https://t.co/lzWwnT6Ujy — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
You mean, .@Steve_in_TO that you agree with .mr_andrew_fox. This is not necessarily the same thing. — PolitiTweet.org
Steve Rowe @Steve_in_TO
@ClarkeMicah @Mr_Andrew_Fox Andrew Fox is right
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Interesting if a bit creepy, @aodanhill.Please define 'Russophile'. — PolitiTweet.org
Aodán Hill ⨁ @aodanhill
European right-wingers should excommunicate Russophiles within their ranks regardless of its impact on electability… https://t.co/FCnOc1bSVL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
The opening page, discreetly censored, of my new book about grammar schools ‘A Revolution Betrayed’ . Signed copies may be ordered from Blackwell’s in Oxford, 01865 792792. https://t.co/QZ4ROHTasm — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Reaping history’s bitter harvest in Ukraine https://t.co/saa8BQVTBR via @ipoliticsca — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@nottycurs What is your point? AS you rightly say., cars are (regrettably in my view) legal for mass use and private ownership. Marijuana is not, and there is a campaign to change that, which I oppose (just as I'd oppose the legalisation of cars if it were being proposed now) — PolitiTweet.org
Bequalmed @NottyCurs
@ClarkeMicah Wait ‘til you see the road accident fatalities. And cars are legal ! s/
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/3 .@mr_andrew_fox. Do you believe that supporting and condoning the lawless and violent overthrow of a sovereign country's legitimate, elected president is not an act of aggression? There must be a naivety pandemic raging. — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@ClarkeMicah This misses the point. If sovereign nations wish to join a military alliance, that is entirely a matte… https://t.co/arBHS0n0AL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/3 .@mr_andrew_fox If Mexico joined a military allaince with Russia or China, what *do* you think would happen? NATO ceased long ago to be defensive, btw, bombing Serbia and Libya proactively. Please read : https://t.co/suGTXqDlJa — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@ClarkeMicah This misses the point. If sovereign nations wish to join a military alliance, that is entirely a matte… https://t.co/arBHS0n0AL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/3 Do you not read well, @mr_andrew_fox? I do not seek to justify or mitigate the Russian invasion, which I condemn. It is a foolish lie to suggest otherwise. Do you really believe that' If sovereign nations wish to join a military alliance, that is entirely a matter for them? — PolitiTweet.org
Andrew Fox @Mr_Andrew_Fox
@ClarkeMicah This misses the point. If sovereign nations wish to join a military alliance, that is entirely a matte… https://t.co/arBHS0n0AL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @ChimeWhistle: @ClarkeMicah In the 50s there were two politicians (both became mayors) who worked in Stafford number 5 signal box. Such… — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@chimewhistle. Why wouldn't politicians be dim? Is there any other trade so unprotected by examination and skills barriers, and so wide open to chancers and bluffers, whose rewards can be so great for so little? — PolitiTweet.org
Chime Whistle Publishing @ChimeWhistle
@ClarkeMicah I'm sure most politicians don't believe (or even understand) half of what comes out of their mouths. H… https://t.co/sGpEYyd0rt
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@chimewhistle. By not paying attention when the hollowed-out parties were taken over by careerists, and by cntinuing to vote for such people when they should have abstained en masse. — PolitiTweet.org
Chime Whistle Publishing @ChimeWhistle
@ClarkeMicah @mailplus One can't help but feel that ministers actually enjoyed exercising new draconian powers – al… https://t.co/HMg4QaDqpP
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Oh well, .@badsmellz, that's tragic. But I'm unsure quite how you can have reached your damning conclusion when, thanks to your sad phone, you haven't actually read it. Nice hanging out with you, dude. — PolitiTweet.org
Badsmellz @badsmellz
@ClarkeMicah I've tried to get through this a couple of times, but the poor typography makes it very hard to read a… https://t.co/7nNRQ4wgrF
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Oh well, @badsmellz, that's tragic. But I'm unsure quite how you can have reached your damning conclusion when, thanks to your sad phone, you haven't actually read it. Nice hanging out with you, dude. — PolitiTweet.org
Badsmellz @badsmellz
@ClarkeMicah I've tried to get through this a couple of times, but the poor typography makes it very hard to read a… https://t.co/7nNRQ4wgrF