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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. Please give examples of me not answering questions and not telling the truth. These are serious aโฆ https://t.co/Ivyc0CYxCR — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@udlane @ClarkeMicah What good work is that? Mostly he argues by not answering questions, by making personal commenโฆ https://t.co/mFY4n339dG
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @ClarkeMicah: @michaelrosenyes. I am going to go away now, and have some tea, and read a book. It has been a joy, but I think we have goโฆ — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. I am going to go away now, and have some tea, and read a book. It has been a joy, but I think weโฆ https://t.co/6fOGXoF2ba — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. I'm not going to get annoyed by this jibe, only suggest that you read my books and then ask yoursโฆ https://t.co/yUaQOMjXUE — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@TomFranklin @ClarkeMicah Can you help Peter. He's a journalist who doesn't like doing his own research. Can you seโฆ https://t.co/h6E4IuHXEo
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Yes, it is hugely selective on the basis of abiity, illegal in almost all UK state schools at that ageโฆ https://t.co/3EUEr27puK — PolitiTweet.org
sam cole @whywouldyou_uk
@ClarkeMicah @MichaelRosenYes Bad teachers and bad curriculum reduce the chances. Any reason why the eg Eton modelโฆ https://t.co/4HAfS15BNl
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
As they are neglected now, @michaelrosenyes, in the money-based, educationally inferior comprehensive system whichโฆ https://t.co/lkwMm74Yvg — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah '...who would otherwise have been neglected'. Other than where/what/when? Other than what was there beโฆ https://t.co/tNtFwIrd4t
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. Did you have anything specific in mind? Most of those debates were held well before 1939, especiโฆ https://t.co/N4pnmx3sXs — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Oh hang on again. Have you read the visionary stuff from 1944-1946 about how this new system was a greโฆ https://t.co/wKTl8ZbS2c
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Actually @michaelrosenyes, this is another error on your part. I tweeted about my forthcoming book on grammars andโฆ https://t.co/YFuI5AoyiI — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@Louise170142 @JamieHobson3 @ClarkeMicah Thank you very much. This discussion initiated by Peter is about his ideaโฆ https://t.co/8G2Hb1f4sk
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. Grammars were not established to achieve a social revolution. They were a national resource, andโฆ https://t.co/wmfBBxlUpZ — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah What was found with the old 11-plus/grammar/sec mod system was that it replicated the class structureโฆ https://t.co/g4J9SpmIjS
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 It's not my argument @michaelrosenyes, though there were many more working class children (more or less in nproโฆ https://t.co/8fPF9ocUta — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah What was found with the old 11-plus/grammar/sec mod system was that it replicated the class structureโฆ https://t.co/g4J9SpmIjS
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. It is a pity in a way that we never really got to know each other properly. Your fantasy that I aโฆ https://t.co/1XvhSswEWb — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Oh hang on. I thought you were in favour of what cards the capitalist system throws you? The idea in sโฆ https://t.co/fNRom5GNfs
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
It was a genuine question @michaelrosenyes. There are a few grammars in (for example) Birmingham and Reading. Doesโฆ https://t.co/seiVsdGnzF — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
If so there'd never be any abuse in local authority children's homes, would there? @michaelrosenyes . https://t.co/LYYxo2ZsAk — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ThomasAtcheson @ClarkeMicah I wonder if there is a correlation between creating elite institutions with an 'espritโฆ https://t.co/Qubxy5BTJp
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Always helpful to read the article @vardy_ian. https://t.co/tNvwYWMAnH — PolitiTweet.org
Ian Vardy @vardy_ian
@ClarkeMicah @mailplus Sorry but which of the many crises isnโt down to war? Fuel profiteering by energy companies?โฆ https://t.co/2Z5q03aGpM
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @ClarkeMicah: Nowadays @michaelrosenyes,they don't need to do that. On National Offer Day, your fate is decided by what sort of postcodeโฆ — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
How near? Is there a density formula? I'm thinking of big cities with a few surviving grammars. @michaelrosenyes. https://t.co/3UbDL6c4yi — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@Louise170142 @ClarkeMicah @JamieHobson3 By the way, if there's a selective school near to a comp, it's not a comp.โฆ https://t.co/E1UIjwnCeu
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. There are several books about secondary mods. Most of them are academic studies from the 1950s anโฆ https://t.co/Yfr4xhYX66 — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@Louise170142 @ClarkeMicah @JamieHobson3 Individuals do. But where are they 'heard' in a public way? I've never seeโฆ https://t.co/XFtXTy98BN
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @ClarkeMicah: The original 1999 hardback of my first book โThe Abolition of Britainโ , still in print. Most of my books may be ordered(โฆ — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Nowadays @michaelrosenyes,they don't need to do that. On National Offer Day, your fate is decided by what sort of pโฆ https://t.co/IY1ykEmOIk — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@cbaker3215 @JennyR23 @ClarkeMicah Sometimes they asked for a 'letter' from the parents to help them decide your faโฆ https://t.co/rWVmd2TzTW
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@bleakworldview, I have to ask you to answer. I think I know the answer but do not wish to upset anyone by giving iโฆ https://t.co/hAldlf6DWV — PolitiTweet.org
Heloise @Bleakworldview
@MichaelRosenYes @ClarkeMicah My eldest sister went to Grammar School, my middle sister (despite being every bit asโฆ https://t.co/OkNUFs3nYs
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Told by whom, @ruth90689843? https://t.co/WYiPdcJjmX — PolitiTweet.org
Ruth @Ruth90689843
@Maxlondinium @MichaelRosenYes @Bleakworldview @ClarkeMicah I was told that I should work in a factory as not good enough for 11+
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
The QE money stayed in the banks, where it inflated away people's savings but did not directly affect money in cirโฆ https://t.co/jdvmor5zYA — PolitiTweet.org
'8-| @DadontheEdge
@RadioRow1 @OmarBaggili @ClarkeMicah How come that didn't happen with QE in 2008ยฟ
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. What would that establish? You'd expect grammars to have better academic outcomes than sec mods,โฆ https://t.co/RVmaJBgtUh — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah What I'm looking forward to reading from you, Peter, is a nuanced analysis of outcome. Comparison of wโฆ https://t.co/MJyXPxfkJp
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. But if course there were bad grammar schools, and I am sorry that yours was so bad you had to speโฆ https://t.co/1OZNuaC4x3 — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ThomasAtcheson @ClarkeMicah Ah yes, the bloating of the reputation of grammar schools! For nearly 20 years at my gโฆ https://t.co/S7aG4EPY23
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. I rather thought that it was you doing that. https://t.co/1Kj24fidE9 — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Why are you shifting the argument away from the issue of fairness and appropriateness of 11-plus + graโฆ https://t.co/qaQkMVSj3z
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@counsellingsam. They were not 'my' grammar schools.I was 13 when they began to be abolished. But can he please refโฆ https://t.co/OZgTro3yuf — PolitiTweet.org
Dr Sam๐ @CounsellingSam
@MichaelRosenYes @ClarkeMicah Speaking as a member of an ethnically othered group, we were constantly racially profโฆ https://t.co/zLol8tYrOw
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. Was there any such consensus? Labour claimed falsely that comps would provide the same educationโฆ https://t.co/fs8oPKz7qp — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Ask yourself a simple question, Peter, why, by the time Margaret Thatcher was Sec of State for Ed, wasโฆ https://t.co/bXgUT7JFuR
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 . But this is futil @michaelrosenyes There is not the slightest chance of any political party adopting it, andโฆ https://t.co/BmACU47gdd — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
Now let's get to the nitty-gritty. If you're in favour of selection at 11 (which is the only way to get 'grammar scโฆ https://t.co/EJ1cDVpfF8
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 @michelrosenyes, since you ask , I think 13 is a better age, though anything older will be too late. I'd favourโฆ https://t.co/lXfoSG6JoF — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
Now let's get to the nitty-gritty. If you're in favour of selection at 11 (which is the only way to get 'grammar scโฆ https://t.co/EJ1cDVpfF8
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Thank you. https://t.co/Q3PWq7MECJ — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ๐๐๐๐ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Website/blog https://t.co/OBRpP0crIi