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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Of *course* the left object to anyone pointing out the left-wing elements of Nazism. The fact robs of them of a major propaganda weapon(the incessant suggestion that political conservatives are semi-Nazis). Hence the hysterical fury I face today. Too bad. — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@helen19544 I'm very sad that the British education system was wrecked in the 1960s, so much so that I have written a book about it. But there's no point pretending that it didn't happen, and that it didn't create several generations who are very bad at thinking. — PolitiTweet.org
Helen Of Coy ©️ @Helen19544
@ClarkeMicah Patronising much, Pete?
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
That might depend on how much you knew about it, mate. — PolitiTweet.org
Armanacore @Josph_Armand
@ClarkeMicah I wouldn't really call the political landscape of 1930-40's Germany surprising or unfamiliar mate.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
No, .@actionphoo, when I was at school, the free state grammar schools were the best schools available. This has nothing to do with private versus state, but with the revolution in education that accompanied comprehensive schooling. — PolitiTweet.org
Phoo Action 💙 @ActionPhoo
@ClarkeMicah Nice, classist too as well as peddling divisive, revisionist crap for clout from bigots
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
No, @colinbvest1978. Even British schoolchildren are taught that. But *you* may have missed the period from 1939-41, during which the two countries were close allies, holding a joint victory parade in Brest-Litovsk, Poland while the Gestapo and the NKVD swapped prisoners. — PolitiTweet.org
Colin Best @ColinBest1978
@ClarkeMicah @OttoEnglish Did you miss the period from 1941-44 or so when Germany invaded Russia,were responsible f… https://t.co/FoRceLK5U9
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
No, .@aaronbastani *I* said that the Nazis were left-wing racists. It was Hitler who said he was a socialist., but neither of us would trust him. — PolitiTweet.org
Aaron Bastani @AaronBastani
@ClarkeMicah @RichardJMurphy This isn’t a logical argument. Nobody is saying Stalin isn’t part of the left traditio… https://t.co/tTbXMPC5uJ
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@delboydare, then it will be easy for you to set out an argument in opposition to mine, based upon your superior knowledge of the matter. I await it with keen anticipation. — PolitiTweet.org
Derek Mantle @delboydare
@AaronBastani @ClarkeMicah @RichardJMurphy I think Hitchens is definitely an example of 'a little learning is a dan… https://t.co/mPsrhMPjLE
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
True enough, and then they found they had been deceived https://t.co/Zf97tfQR7h — PolitiTweet.org
Damon Linker @DamonLinker
It's true the Nazis weren't conservatives or libertarians, though many conservatives & business interests were happ… https://t.co/hb0yK…
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Please read this .@aaronbastani. https://t.co/Zf97tfQR7h It's what they *did* that concerns me, not what they said or what others said about them. — PolitiTweet.org
Aaron Bastani @AaronBastani
@ClarkeMicah Why was nazism left wing? Other than the argument for the nsdap and nominative determinism (otherwise… https://t.co/SnVlMLNQCj
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@supertanskiii — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
No, @supertankskiii. I have retained my ability to read and think, having escaped the joke 'education' that you wer… https://t.co/6ywH4TR1ZL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Could you please put that into English, @scottberry912? — PolitiTweet.org
Scott Berry @scottberry912
@ClarkeMicah You are not that child though, you are the one who is failing what George Orwell said, you're using te… https://t.co/F11rrprhBC
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @ClarkeMicah: Today's controversy has confirmed my view that the ending of the Tale of the Emperor's New Clothes is ludicrously optimist… — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@louishenwood. OK. Mr intellectual heavyweight (not a claim I've ever made for myself, but you must think yourself one or why are you disputing my qualities?). Let's see your argumemts, fact and logic. Abuse is not the weapon of the intelligent. — PolitiTweet.org
Louis 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 〓〓 💙 Defend the right to vote @LouisHenwood
Anybody still under the delusion that Peter Hitchens is some form of intellectual heavyweight Time to get rid of t… https://t.co/XkPI4aZTwH
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@whitecarz. And do *you* know who the first inhabitants were in the original Gulag camp at Solovyetsky? Socialists and Anarchists. So, was Stalin ( who put them there in increasing numbers, and also killed German Communists who fled to Moscow) right-wing? — PolitiTweet.org
Anthony @whitecarz
Peter Hitchens has let himself down very badly here. Does he know who the first inhabitants were at Dachau? (It… https://t.co/nLWemyfliM
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@richardjmurphy. But, you see, Stalin also murdered Socialists and Communists and put them in camps. He even murdered German leftists who had fled to Moscow for safety, and handed some of them back to the Gestapo. So was Stalin right-wing? A little learning is a dangerous thing. — PolitiTweet.org
Richard Murphy @RichardJMurphy
First they came for the socialists. Then they came for these unionists….. But Peter Hitchens and The Daily Mail sa… https://t.co/RRE4YjIsiq
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
."@yeswideopen69, this, by the left-winger Roy Greenslade, deals intelligently with this era (it's fascinating that the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror's ancient fascist flirtations are never mentioned). Your point is not very strong https://t.co/B1lkKgz9TP — PolitiTweet.org
The Purple Pimpernel @Eyeswideopen69
Peter Hitchens works for the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail routinely supported the Nazis throughout the 1930s. Was t… https://t.co/SyjrlP4bVm
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Quite so, Likewise Karl Marx. — PolitiTweet.org
Chris Tomlinson @TomlinsonCJ
@ClarkeMicah Stalin was also a prolific antisemite, which likely played somewhat of a role as well.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 .@otto_english He then tries to avoid it by saying 'their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal.' Maybe. But I'll happily pocket that concession. He just doesn't get the implications of the Stalin-Hitler pact. — PolitiTweet.org
Otto English @Otto_English
Here you go @ClarkeMicah but you know this already https://t.co/MnNEKgGGqL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 Its an *argument* .@otto_english, but not a refutation. Even Granieri concedes that 'the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers.'That's a *fact*. — PolitiTweet.org
Otto English @Otto_English
Here you go @ClarkeMicah but you know this already https://t.co/MnNEKgGGqL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@ottoenglish. This is desperate. The roundness of the earth is beyond dispute and demonstrable by repeatable, falsifiable experiment. The actions of the Third Reich were in many cases left-wing, and also involved close collaboration with actual Communists. — PolitiTweet.org
Otto English @Otto_English
If you wrote an article claiming the Earth was flat, would I have to waste my time disproving it? No. It's the real… https://t.co/ZEyleOUnKr
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@otto_english. You have no idea what my assertion is as you still have not read it. 'Debunked' in such cases means that it has been challenged by people you agree with. People disagree over this. If they are rational, they debate it reasonably. — PolitiTweet.org
Otto English @Otto_English
@ClarkeMicah No. You are indulging in both sideism. You are seeking to make out that your (wrongful) assertion is e… https://t.co/SU8Ao8MGH6
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@ottoenglish An absurd diversion. Why would anyone believe the words of this notorious liar who regularly contradicted himself? Far better to judge, as I do in my article, by what they *did*. — PolitiTweet.org
Otto English @Otto_English
@ClarkeMicah I have shared Hitler's own words on the topic. https://t.co/MmBTh7binY
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Today's controversy has confirmed my view that the ending of the Tale of the Emperor's New Clothes is ludicrously optimistic. The child who cried out 'He's naked!' would have been torn limb from limb by the mob, while the secret police dragged his parents off to a dungeon. — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Yes, weird, isn't it @sargon_of_akkad.? It's so simple and straightforward, until you look into it. Then it isn't. 'They looked from man to pig, and from pig to man until they could no longer tell which was which' . https://t.co/1z2L4bMpef — PolitiTweet.org
David Harman @PapaY3ti
@Sargon_of_Akkad Socialists are dipshits, but Peter Hitchens calling them left wing is just as stupid as when peopl… https://t.co/dHfrXCZ8ZY
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@otto_english. You mean you're afraid to debate it, and prefer abuse. OK. Would you please block me? I am short of electrons today and feel it's really your job anyway, if you've nothing interesting to say. — PolitiTweet.org
Otto English @Otto_English
Peter, I'm not going to waste my time explaining National Socialism to you and what the Nazis meant by it because y… https://t.co/TMdRhOcTi0
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Awkward moments from history (well, awkward for left-wingers anyway), number one in a series. Stalin hands over German Communists to the Gestapo https://t.co/1z2L4bMX3N — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
. @iainoverton and the equally inconvenient fact that Stalin did exactly the same (many of the German Communists who fled to Moscow were murdered or imprisoned by the NKVD, which even swapped some of them with the Gestapo) . You haven't really thought about this, have you? — PolitiTweet.org
Dr Iain Overton @iainoverton
@Otto_English @ClarkeMicah And there’s the inconvenient fact that the Nazi party prosecuted and executed thousands… https://t.co/PY5biAuYfC
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 .@Aaronbastani These are very murky waters. Stalin was just as keen on killing German Communists as Hitler was. The Nazi-Soviet pact was not the cold mechanical thing it portrayed as, but involved close. willing co-operation. — PolitiTweet.org
Aaron Bastani @AaronBastani
@Sargon_of_Akkad @ClarkeMicah How? I know you think that but explain why. Free trade unions were illegal. Left… https://t.co/tkSoD4yQrm
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 .@aaronbastani. All the above, except the 'Judeo-Bolshevism, and the explicit racial purity, were true of Stalin's USSR in the same era. And then in 1953, Stalin began a major anti-Jewish racial purge ('The Doctors' Plot). So, I ask again, was Stalin right-wing? — PolitiTweet.org
Aaron Bastani @AaronBastani
@Sargon_of_Akkad @ClarkeMicah How? I know you think that but explain why. Free trade unions were illegal. Left… https://t.co/tkSoD4yQrm
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @TheSimonEvans: @merchant_amyn @Otto_English @ClarkeMicah @mailplus If you think that Peter describing Fascism as left wing is him manoe… — PolitiTweet.org