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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes You know perfectly well what point I'm making. It's up to you if you choose to trivialise it, thouβ¦ https://t.co/z3WTdqumbn — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah I'm happy to talk about that so long as you don't lapse into your metaphysical outbursts about what I⦠https://t.co/coC8S33jXe
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@michaelrosenyes argues that the 1945-51 Labour government did not seek to prevent pupils at Secondary Moderns frβ¦ https://t.co/czPJbVLfYT — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Did they @michaelrosenyes. And were they in that case of no account and did they have no impact? Give examples. https://t.co/MvhZZl0aLV — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah 'statements'. Peter can you see that all you keep finding are 'statements'...with no executive power.β¦ https://t.co/8b5ca8CHpC
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/3 @michaelrosenyes. I still have not seen the answer to this question, put to you repeatedly: How many secondaβ¦ https://t.co/bAf4fnOyuR — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah @MichaelRosen You have argued that because schools didn't do public exams they must have been 'banned'β¦ https://t.co/UwckWS8xhp
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
How can an intelligent person such as you behave like this, @michaelrosenyes? You know perfectly well that huge chaβ¦ https://t.co/TF4dsgfRmI — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah 'statements'. Peter can you see that all you keep finding are 'statements'...with no executive power.β¦ https://t.co/8b5ca8CHpC
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Don't be silly, @michaelrosenyes. The only ban I know of by Ms Truss is the sanctioning of Graham Phillips for sayiβ¦ https://t.co/wmPIqHlTm4 — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Absolutely. You must feel free to use the word 'ban' attached to central govt even though there was no⦠https://t.co/ErF7ybP1DY
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I have one of them. the others are only available from libraries. They are not very good. .@michaelrosenyes https://t.co/f6NetWffbs — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Have you got those books that you said that I had overlooked. I am very much enjoying Dick Stroud's bo⦠https://t.co/2lhqzQRkDS
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/3 @michaelrosenyes I have said that the Labour govt regarded the freedom from exams as a virtue. And I have pointβ¦ https://t.co/aZjnxjcK8d — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah @MichaelRosen You have argued that because schools didn't do public exams they must have been 'banned'β¦ https://t.co/UwckWS8xhp
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/3 No, no, no, .@michaelrosenyes. I argue that the 1945 government specifically stated that it did not envisage puβ¦ https://t.co/mzTRG62oUs — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah @MichaelRosen You have argued that because schools didn't do public exams they must have been 'banned'β¦ https://t.co/UwckWS8xhp
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
There you go again @michaelrosenyes. You think that I am a Tory, and that I regard Kenneth Baker as a voice of theβ¦ https://t.co/KGhpJe06a0 — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Look at yourself, Peter. You want to be taken seriously. You have created a metaphysical concept: 'a l⦠https://t.co/evxxzHuU3L
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I look forward keenly to the publication of Michael Rosen's Rigid Dictionary for Quibblers. But in the meantime, .β¦ https://t.co/Esz6GWs14s — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Check in Dick Stroud, the book you recommended or Peter Newsam on the division of powers between centr⦠https://t.co/RZBOPYTDeN
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I keep meaning to point out something about this ancient tweet. When I say 'lefties like you' .@michaelrosenyes, thβ¦ https://t.co/x6MDAe9BQt — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah While you're on, Peter, you've made some assertions about SecModders being 'banned' from taking O-leve⦠https://t.co/5cgG76rUlp
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosen yes, Oh, goodness, Latin now.But you seem to have misunderstood it. Is it really inconceivable that tβ¦ https://t.co/WDZACOljW9 — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Go back to 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'. It really is not the best way to argue.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@michaelrosenyes. Once again I ask a question I do not think you have answered: How many secondary modern pupils tβ¦ https://t.co/S96ug33dDq — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I don't know why you keep arguing against the recorded facts .@michaelrosenyes. The government had a lot of power aβ¦ https://t.co/n60q4qutcz — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Oh dear no you didn't. My point is confirmed again and again in the book that you recommended. The gov⦠https://t.co/CssT9H0uq3
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@michaelrosenyes The ban dated from April 1945, before O levels had been invented & was specified in an HMG publicβ¦ https://t.co/BwQiS0dCXe — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Oh dear no you didn't. My point is confirmed again and again in the book that you recommended. The gov⦠https://t.co/CssT9H0uq3
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. One prob with our discussion is that I have a pretty good idea of your positions on most things,wβ¦ https://t.co/MLUffIAZhl — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah So in the Hitchens world view, even Oxbridge (or is it just Oxford) is..what? Finished? Useless? Dying⦠https://t.co/M5uIu2HjI9
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@michaelrosenyes, you have shot your own case out of the sky. The Labour government clearly stated(in 1947): 'it iβ¦ https://t.co/XoKD19vqGc — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah If girls are 'banned' from wearing trousers, those are the rules in that institution. I've agreed 500β¦ https://t.co/2HNyEwP72Z
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. Er, about what do I agree with you? https://t.co/AWDn7SQWFf — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Glad you agree with me. If you want to talk about what actually went on (rather than academic discussi⦠https://t.co/gtv7SA0XLh
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 @michaelrosenyes I am quite capable of recommending books by people with whom I do not wholly agree. You are doβ¦ https://t.co/bdh9ka64AQ — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Again, as Dick Stroud says in the book you recommended, there is a wide range of voices raising questi⦠https://t.co/t8xXSIjcwD
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@michaelrosenyes The word 'ban' is used daily in a dozen ways which do not involve *legal* prohibition, let aloneβ¦ https://t.co/h4VHq6YZGN — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah 'Ban' - an official or legal prohibition. You used the word 'ban'. There was no legal prohibition. The⦠https://t.co/hzlykiWRxi
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
But @michaelrosenyes. I never said or implied that. For at least the 10th time, the government in England had no *eβ¦ https://t.co/nN7MZDhOdc — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah I made clear to you (as does Dick Stroud in the book you recommended) that when we talk of Govt in rel⦠https://t.co/kDz7zcl3C8
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @ClarkeMicah: 1/3 .@michaelrosenyes. I cited and linked two government documents, whose validity you have wisely not challenged, in whiβ¦ — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
998/998 @michaelrosenyes. I don't think you'd seen yourself in this light before. As the old song goes 'I'd heard aβ¦ https://t.co/XDSxbGsjzM — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah You've missed the point. The reason why they didn't take them was not a result of a govt ban. That's b⦠https://t.co/tTg6iq3q92
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
997/998 I think .@michaelrosenyes, the thing that really got your goat was my point that exam-free schools were andβ¦ https://t.co/Wbnu4mciEh — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah You've missed the point. The reason why they didn't take them was not a result of a govt ban. That's b⦠https://t.co/tTg6iq3q92
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/3 @michaelrosenyes..that in the 1945-51 period, the only available exam was school cert, which it was more or lesβ¦ https://t.co/15wIwqw5YH — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah You've missed the point. The reason why they didn't take them was not a result of a govt ban. That's b⦠https://t.co/tTg6iq3q92
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 . @michaelrosenyes. I'm impressed at your memory of the period between your birth in 1946 and mine in 1951, wheβ¦ https://t.co/tgJJdx9zpZ — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah You've missed the point. The reason why they didn't take them was not a result of a govt ban. That's b⦠https://t.co/tTg6iq3q92
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/3 .@michaelrosenyes. I cited and linked two government documents, whose validity you have wisely not challenged,β¦ https://t.co/LTTMq93l4a — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah You've missed the point. The reason why they didn't take them was not a result of a govt ban. That's b⦠https://t.co/tTg6iq3q92
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@michaelrosenyes I've explained to you before that a ban doesn't have to be a legal prohibition to be a ban, and tβ¦ https://t.co/LwNDoEwctE — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@michaelrosenyes. Then tell me, from 1945 to 1951, how many pupils in Secondary Modern took external examinations? https://t.co/HQN7yOlJOv — PolitiTweet.org
Michael Rosen ππππ @MichaelRosenYes
@ClarkeMicah Oh dear no you didn't. My point is confirmed again and again in the book that you recommended. The gov⦠https://t.co/CssT9H0uq3