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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@irgarner. Do you think that was a good thing, or a bad thing? If (as I suspect) bad, then why would you support the unavailability of schools to Russian speakers now? If good, what sort of person *are* you? I myself hated the USSR. You aren't very good at debate, are you? — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah Incidentally, and this fact might tickle you given your interest in education, there was not a single… https://t.co/KtNikRgfcW
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 .@irganer Once again you both produce a straw man and dodge the question at issue. I couldn't care less what the Kremlin says and have not said Russians have 'no voice'. Yet they face measurable language discrimination. As I have shown you. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah Monoglot Russians (of which there are very few) are Ukrainians. They vote. They have the same rights a… https://t.co/qVAEBVCHap
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/2 .@irgarner About 30% of Ukraine's 43 million people declared themselves Russian speakers in the 2001 census. No information on how many monoglot, but I'd guess, from my travels in Crimea and Donbas, quite a few. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah Monoglot Russians (of which there are very few) are Ukrainians. They vote. They have the same rights a… https://t.co/qVAEBVCHap
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Well, so much for .@kittyhawk00 . Self-deleted and vanished. Language bigots, eh? — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I am saying @kittyhawk00🔁↗️⛔️🔀 that you may well be a rather nasty bigot. If I had wished to say the words you atte… https://t.co/a93vhmTpE5
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@italianleopard2. Here the Council of Europe examines the education provisions of Ukraine's language law. Full document is at : https://t.co/iJXFmTnCp8 — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
How to create Second Class Citizens. The Council of Europe’s Venice Commission examines Ukraine’s 2019 language law… https://t.co/j5tNKXeWR0
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I am saying @kittyhawk00🔁↗️⛔️🔀 that you may well be a rather nasty bigot. If I had wished to say the words you attempt so feebly to attribute to me, then I would have said them. But I did not. Stick to the subject. You're losing by changing it. https://t.co/p5cTYDvljM — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@WaltJizzKnee Has the rule that Two Wrongs Do not Make a Right been repealed? I was not aware of it. Perhaps yoiu can tell me where and when this was done. — PolitiTweet.org
Ainsley’s Chariots @WaltJizzKnee
@ClarkeMicah @irgarner Is that not a symptom of being invaded by a nation the width of Eurasia?
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@kittyhawk00 I think that comes very close to being a racialist remark, especially as it is peoples, not states, who speak languages. The key test of its bigotry is this. Should those individuals who speak Russian then face discrimination? — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@richard_weiss62 Interetsing. But @irgarner and his allies won't, I think, defend that (umnless Russia invades Barcelona) . Their fanaticism over Ukraine, a very odd development in Britain, makes them unable to see anything that Ukraine does as questionable. — PolitiTweet.org
Richard Weiss @Richard_Weiss62
@ClarkeMicah It is at least as bad in Catalonia, if not worse - children unable to study in #Spanish at any level,… https://t.co/ZgkJvtdfCy
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @John_Reacher_: @ClarkeMicah 137. The Commission notes that the State Language Law submitted to its examination in the present opinion a… — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
RT @RichardGS1079: @ItalianLeopard2 @OblivionFist @irgarner @ClarkeMicah Except it's not just Russian-speakers affected or raising concerns… — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
This .@irgarner, gives a flavour of the attitude of of some Ukrainian nationalist triumphalists, who,in any other context on earth, you would condemn. — PolitiTweet.org
On the right side @right_side1
@irgarner @ClarkeMicah https://t.co/Fm6OFZvLFd
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Yes @italianleopard2 there *are* restrictions on using the Russian language in Ukraine, most signifcantly in schools and higher education, in the media and in politics. https://t.co/iJXFmTFLDg — PolitiTweet.org
theItalianLeopard of NAFO 🇺🇦 🇺🇸 @ItalianLeopard2
@OblivionFist @irgarner @ClarkeMicah What is your definition of second class? Not being able to dominate the majori… https://t.co/0wqd9bFQdY
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Actually @irgarneer, it is not . That is why the Council of Europe , uncontrolled by Putin, commissioned a report un Ukraine's 2019 language law. Here it is. https://t.co/iJXFmTnCp8 Even the softiues at HRwtach are worried https://t.co/34d3ZpNJZQ — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ItalianLeopard2 @OblivionFist @ClarkeMicah The entire debate is a way to "stick it to the Ukros." It's a hornet's… https://t.co/Q5bxU9FAQL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
I mean, look, this is *really* important. Imagine if it were done to you. — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
How to create Second Class Citizens. The Council of Europe’s Venice Commission examines Ukraine’s 2019 language law… https://t.co/j5tNKXeWR0
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
How to create Second Class Citizens. The Council of Europe’s Venice Commission examines Ukraine’s 2019 language law. Requires concentration and open mind , so not you .@irgarner https://t.co/aw9t72dJE2 — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Perhaps, .@jimpettman, you do not grasp that millions of Ukrainians speak predominantly Russian or only Russian. How'd you feel if you were one of them, and suddenly you or your children had to be educated in a language you didn't know and couldn't speak? — PolitiTweet.org
Jim Pettman @JimPettman
@ClarkeMicah Given their treatment by the Bolsheviks and now Putin I imagine they want to put as much distance betw… https://t.co/LeuQM4cCGm
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
🦒🦒🦒Meet .@irgarner Dr Ian Garner, an academic and author who claims not to understand or be familiar with the term 'second class citizen'. Is he having a giraffe, or is it in fact possible for an educated person in 2022 not to be familiar with the term and concept? 🦒🦒🦒 — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah To argue that Ukrainians have chosen to make themselves "second class citizens" - still a murky term t… https://t.co/hTHMuSGKru
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
4/4 . @irgarner I have not said Ukrainians have chosen to make themselves "second class citizens" , an absurd formulation. I have said the language law makes monoglot Russians second class citizens. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah To argue that Ukrainians have chosen to make themselves "second class citizens" - still a murky term t… https://t.co/hTHMuSGKru
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/4 .@irgarner. This may help you find out what you have in fact been defending https://t.co/iJXFmTnCp8 — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah If they want to open a business or conduct other activities listed in the 2019 language law, they must… https://t.co/Y4zDyiLMjL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/2 .@irgarner But,as I have repeatedly said to you (and you have repeatedly ignored me), it is above all in *education* (your own occupation and profession about which you presumably care) that the 2019 law discriminates against monoglot Russians. Do you defend these provisions? — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah If they want to open a business or conduct other activities listed in the 2019 language law, they must… https://t.co/Y4zDyiLMjL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/4 .@irgarner Actually, I pointed to Canada as a good example, becase of its treatment of *French* speakers. I think Quebec's treatment of *English* speakers is highly questionable. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah If they want to open a business or conduct other activities listed in the 2019 language law, they must… https://t.co/Y4zDyiLMjL
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@irgarner. I note that you have so far not, as I suggested you do, examined the 2019 'Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language'. I think you are afraid to do so. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah Again, what is a "second class citizen"? It's not in the language law you reference. If you can't defi… https://t.co/NSc56VQ3YH
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@irgarner. Do you also not know what'obtuse' means? A second class citizen is one who is deprived of significant freedoms given to other citizens of the same country. Wilful ignorance here combines with unresponsive obstruction. Do you *want* to be muted for excessive tedium? — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah Again, what is a "second class citizen"? It's not in the language law you reference. If you can't defi… https://t.co/NSc56VQ3YH
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@irgarner. Irrelewvant. Your answer to him accepted his hugely mistaken view that I had said such a thing and that such a thing was taking place. In honest argument, you would have corrected him. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah @OblivionFist I'm answering your tweets *and* his tweets. Not that hard, although it would be easier i… https://t.co/prrpRWAv9B
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@irgarner. Straw man alert. As you know, I have never said that the Ukrainian government has 'banned the Russian language'. Why then do you answer this ill-informed tweet from .@oblivionfist as if it *is* what I have said? — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@OblivionFist @ClarkeMicah That is exactly what I'm saying, because it's not true.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@irgarner. Then you aren't qualified to debate this subject or any other, by reason of convenient wilful ignorance. Look at the 2019 ' Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language', most especially its provisions on education. — PolitiTweet.org
Dr. Ian Garner @irgarner
@ClarkeMicah You may not assume this, for I object to the use of Latin when English is clearly our lingua franca (h… https://t.co/7N4cfndQ9c
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@EwanMacKenna In the only ways that bearing can be admirable. Calm, responsible, steadfast in adversity — PolitiTweet.org
Ewan MacKenna @EwanMacKenna
@ClarkeMicah @Karl19782 Admirable? In what sense?
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Straw men @freebirdsoars. As I've already pointed out the constitution is vague and bendy. Are you unaware of the 2019 Ukraine language law and subsequent controversies? — PolitiTweet.org
Free Bird @Freebirdsoars
@ClarkeMicah 're the Ukrainian constitution and protection of the Russian language. Since 2014 it has not been rem… https://t.co/rjBsOD2Uxd
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
An interesting point @vulpesvulpes9 . This sort of thing leads to lasting unhappiness and often to revenge in time. — PolitiTweet.org
vulpes @vulpesvulpes9
@ClarkeMicah @irgarner Indeed, Belgium before the language reforms is a good case study for this. Flemish was never… https://t.co/J2ShRokp1g
