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Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
4/4 .@sketchblog. If the Tory Party split as it would under PR, into at least two parties (a vapid Cameroon faction and a Thatcherite rump), The Cameroons would spend a *lot* of time propping up the liberal-socialist coalition. — PolitiTweet.org
David Sketchley @SketchBlog
@ClarkeMicah So you admit First Past the Post or Winner Takes All us the only way the Tories win
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
3/4 @skecthblog. In a PR system, there are potentially four liberal/socialist parties capabe of forming a coalition ( if necessary, including some liberal Tories). Actual conservatism, with one party, will be disadvantaged by alternative votes etc. — PolitiTweet.org
David Sketchley @SketchBlog
@ClarkeMicah So you admit First Past the Post or Winner Takes All us the only way the Tories win
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
2/4 .@sketchblog In a PR system, this division would be accentuated. Labour is at lest two parties, and so are Liberal Democrats. Whereas conservatism in Britain is divided only by the fact that Tory voters have nothing in common with the 'Conservatives' they elect to Parliament. — PolitiTweet.org
David Sketchley @SketchBlog
@ClarkeMicah So you admit First Past the Post or Winner Takes All us the only way the Tories win
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
1/4 .@sketchblog 'Admit' it? I'm not confessing guilt, but stating a fact - that *a* conservatve *party* (which the Tories are not) will not win a majority in a PR system. Why not? The left is historically divided in this country between Liberals and Socialists... — PolitiTweet.org
David Sketchley @SketchBlog
@ClarkeMicah So you admit First Past the Post or Winner Takes All us the only way the Tories win
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
A defenc eof 'First Past the Post'. Any conservative who supports PR ( as so many nowadays foolishly do) is signing his movement's own death warrant. //hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/05/on-legitimacy-and-saving-fptp.html — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Well, thank heaven for that, .@ThreeJacques. Rousseau's ideas were terrible. The virtue of FPTP is that it *can* (it doens't always) lead to strong decisive government, But it also enables the population to dismiss that government. PR does not allow that. . — PolitiTweet.org
JacquesThree @ThreeJacques
@polytixs @ClarkeMicah @Regardermonamis There is no such thing as a "fair" voting system. All of them are gamed in… https://t.co/WOivNXCq7Z
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
J.S. Mill made trhe same point . But again .@ralf00652823 I must point out that a perfectly good word already exists for those who do not accept the conventional view - dissenters. 'Contrarian' is an insult deployed by the majority against the minority. — PolitiTweet.org
ralf @ralf00652823
@CoatedRusset @ClarkeMicah @NewsCuckoo Being contrarian is virtuous. If a discussion becomes too aligned, it means… https://t.co/GlkRbNSPNQ
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@lewis_i3 I think many hundreds of thousands could say the same. Amazing that good, free education., just down the road, was once normal . But even more amazing that we got rid of it without checking to see whether the replacement would be better or worse. — PolitiTweet.org
Ina Lewis @lewis_i3
@ClarkeMicah @Rossbeeefburger I went to a grammar school and never realised at the time how lucky I was
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
That's the terrible thing about threats, .@sussexboil. They quite often work, when other methods fail. Fear plays much more of a part in our lives, and in our civilisation, than we like to admit. It is interesting how Utopias, set up by kindly people, so often end with terrror. — PolitiTweet.org
Amieas @SussexBoil
@ClarkeMicah @DavidEvanJames I can remember being told at my grammar school (Southend High School for Girls) that I… https://t.co/Zcl6ShB4Kq
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@rossbeeefburger. Grammar schools were being closed all the time by then. There's no doubt some did not get on with them. — PolitiTweet.org
Henry Houmous II @Rossbeeefburger
@ClarkeMicah 1979 , it was basically a second bite of the cherry for pupils who only just missed out on a pass mark… https://t.co/2VivAg9K4F
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Thank you @davidevanjames. I had not heard before of pupils being reallocated to the Secondary Mod after passing the 11+ (though something similar can happen in Germany to borderline entrants) — PolitiTweet.org
David James @DavidEvanJames
@ClarkeMicah Teignmouth Grammar School. There was not much mobility of pupils but in 1957 there were two newcomers… https://t.co/0BvqXhSZFR
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
This extraordinarily frank and moving memoir of a family rift, by @rowanpelling, is one of the best things in the papers today: Memo to Meghan https://t.co/NcUrINPTqC via @Femail — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Why, .@Rossbeeefburger? Which year was that? — PolitiTweet.org
Henry Houmous II @Rossbeeefburger
@ClarkeMicah @DavidEvanJames Schools in Lancashire where I was brought up had something similar . I passed aged 12… https://t.co/wzmZLkB1W9
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Sorry, .@Regardermonamis but it was in *2010* that I sought the annihilation of the Tory Party. It is far too late now. And abolishing FPTP will lead to permanent left-wing rule. So you do not concure with my view. — PolitiTweet.org
FatFrank82 @Regardermonamis
@JournoStephen The Tories are an absolute abomination. I concur with Peter hitchens view that the party needs absol… https://t.co/S8BbpmYGWy
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Thank you .@wtforeright. — PolitiTweet.org
Thomas Williams @WTForeRight
@ClarkeMicah @obrpaul I read it. Now I will remove my monthly support of Wikipedia. Thank for letting me know.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
@alanbolger14 I think that perhaps in the Cold War the emergence of a seriously neutralist party in the UK, with a chance of winning office, might have led to such manoeuvres. But with the Cold War over,who cares if UK is run by smoothie Blairite Eurocommunists or by an old Trot? — PolitiTweet.org
alanbolger @alanbolger14
@ClarkeMicah @rumptyhurumph might the CIA have anything to do with the absence of any resemblance of a British left… https://t.co/G7dhZFP8tK
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@davidevanjames . Can you tell me where that was? — PolitiTweet.org
David James @DavidEvanJames
@ClarkeMicah In my day, the 50's, there was a second chance for pupils in secondary modern schools to be entered in… https://t.co/q6GPclOTLY
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@nadiasja. I genuinely have no idea what you mean. Can you please explain? — PolitiTweet.org
Nadia @NadiaSJA
@ClarkeMicah Right, good to know the work around 🤣
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
It has not such sense .@newscuckoo. The words which properly describe what you are referring to are 'dissent' and 'opposition'. The word 'contrarian' clearly implies a desire to be contrary. Genuine dissent is not a self-indulgent choice. — PolitiTweet.org
Steven Bartholomew @NewsCuckoo
@ClarkeMicah I meant 'contrarian' in the sense of rejecting popular opinion, whether they do it for the sake of it or not.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@migintyallan Oh, I think its many failures *on its own terms* show it to be mistaken. — PolitiTweet.org
allan mackenzie @MigintyAllan
@ClarkeMicah @NewsCuckoo because we *think* it is mistaken
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@coatedrusset. I do not think *anybody* assigns virtue to this supposed characteristsic. I have always regarded it as an insult, levelled by people who cannot accept the possibility that anyone might disagree with them for honest and honourable reasons. — PolitiTweet.org
Russet Coated Captain @CoatedRusset
@ClarkeMicah @NewsCuckoo I never understood why people assign virtue to being a contrarian. Fourteen year olds exce… https://t.co/nsjR0LwZkb
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Obitaries of the late John Bird ( see https://t.co/v25u3NCdJu, but Times and Telegraph repeat) note that, despite failing the 11+ he was later transferred to a Grammar School. More common than most realise. — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@doresearch2020/OI think you misunderstand conservatism, which is a principle of action (or inaction) not a particular set of policies. Plainly, where it has failed in the past (as here), it will have far more ground to make up and be able to do far less. — PolitiTweet.org
Jay# @DoResearch2020
@ClarkeMicah @munnwez Factor in the changing time, the awareness of different issues society is facing, the digita… https://t.co/3dJwNa4SEc
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
No .@newscuckoo. We do not need *any* contrarians. People should contest conventional wisdom because it is mistaken, not for the sake of it. — PolitiTweet.org
Steven Bartholomew @NewsCuckoo
@oggmus @ClarkeMicah Given that the prevailing zeitgeist is wrong on almost every major issue, we need all the contrarians we can get.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@rumptyhurumph. I've no recollection of the CIA organising a mob putsch here to replace our legitimate government with one they liked better. That was Ukraine, the well-known 'coup of dignity' . — PolitiTweet.org
kmac @rumptyhurumph
@ClarkeMicah They should get over it. Think of all the things we’ve had to get over in that time
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
.@oggmus. Why must you use this silly insult 'contrarian'? I did not (as here) take up the case of George Bell to be difficult, or to get noticed, but because I saw a grave injustice and sought to set it right. https://t.co/dAqGFb9eWB — PolitiTweet.org
Michael @oggmus
@ClarkeMicah You really are the most contrarian person I have come across.
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
'The biggest enduring reason for Iranian mistrust of the West is an event everyone in Iran knows about and almost everyone in Britain and the USA has forgotten. This was the 1953 Teheran putsch, mounted by America’s CIA and Britain’s MI6.' https://t.co/F85t2RKXKp — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
'Given the state of this country I am often struck by how keen we are to go stamping around the world improving other people’s lands' https://t.co/F85t2RKXKp — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
'We will not turn Iran into a civil society or a civilised power by threats, alarmism and anger or blatant intervention in its internal affairs. Try a little cunning, for once, and mingle it with self-knowledge.' https://t.co/F85t2RKXKp — PolitiTweet.org
Peter Hitchens @ClarkeMicah
Iran's Revolutionary Guard Fanatics feed on the (often ignorant and unself-aware) hostility of the West. https://t.co/F85t2RLvzX — PolitiTweet.org