Elizabeth Bruenig

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti even now as you go on about charity and grace and generosity and imperfect worlds and finite beings, what you're trying to get me to say is that i'm evil -- but you already know that, right? what makes my evil worse than her lie *and her use of the n-word!* — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti no no, the problem was this person felt *i* have a moral fault that makes me an easy target for her and by God she was going to make me pay for that and all i pointed out was i'm not the only one with moral faults, and now you're really furious at me for that — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti it's true, i did say her post wasn't true and the overall implication that she's my moral better is also pretty questionable considering the whole n-word thing — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti i mean the problem was this stranger told a lie about me and also happens to be a casual n-word user. personally i would not go around antagonizing strangers if i were also a casual user of the n-word as some people take exception with that — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti *she* chose to attack *me* actually, i defended myself by pointing out the post wasn't true and the moral credibility there was questionable at any rate. to use your criterion: did she get fired? did she lose her enrollment somewhere? no? then okay — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti so is the "and people you lie about will argue back" thing! — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti sure. i feel like that sucks and will in that case point out that they're wrong and, if applicable, that there are reasons you should not believe the false stuff they're saying — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti you have an audience that believes an interlocutor is factually and morally right about you. you point out that they're factually wrong about you and morally wrong in a general sense. again, i get that this sucks when it happens to you, but i don't make fake posts about others. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti the motives are inseparable — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti i get that this level of scrutiny kind of sucks, but yeah, that's sort of the only recourse people have when you successfully create a fake post that people are actually falling for. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti seriously consider this: her lie was a lie on two levels. it was just factually untrue, but even accepting that, the implication of the parody is also untrue. so yes: you should know that she's not really the best judge of left bonafides, being a casual n-word user herself — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti yeah? she decided to lie about my views on poor people and hygiene, i pointed out her morals are pretty sideways and her post was fake, so people ought to take both her statement and the implication with a major grain of salt. what else could i do? — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti "noted twitter user" — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti "writer" — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti alright, so long as we're clear that all i was doing was discrediting the person attempting (very falsely!) to discredit me, then that pretty much sews it all up. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti everybody is — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti so when you look at your scales, which is worse: the casual n-word stuff or the fact that i didn't actually write any such article? — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti "public figure" is a legal term, right, it has to do with whether or not it's reasonable to have certain expectations of privacy when filing civil lawsuits. it has zero bearing on whether someone's feelings can be hurt when you lie about them for fun lol — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti to whom? i already know you don't like me, but this is at least an opportunity for me to lay out my case for other people who might look on. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti yeah, and i have to deal with the ramifications of those lies every single day. it sucks — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti it's subtler than that. c'mon, you know it's bad when you tell a lie that damages somebody's reputation, even if there's no instantaneous material harm you could list on a lawsuit. this is very 101 moral stuff. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti look at the QT's and replies; people believed it. but the people who saw it and believed it won't go around announcing that. now i'll have to deal with people having this assumption and never being sure who has it or doesn't have it. that's what happens when people lie about you. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @tschlic oh it was definitely mocking, absolutely entertaining (for her) and i guess you can call it parody -- but all of that is just describing the kind of pleasure she got from making up a lie about me, yeah. people do it all the time on here — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai i'm confused -- do you think there's a way of being gang-raped in which the victim is somehow culpable *for the rape*? — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @polisisti I mean, that's the defense I'm going to be stuck using, right? she knew that when she made this thing — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @tschlic yeah, that's what cruelty is about! i get that people don't like me and i understand, that's fine. one thing people take pleasure in doing when they don't like someone is trying to hurt them. it feels good. it just doesn't feel good for the other person. — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@polisisti @tznkai i'm sure she can just explain it was a joke, right? — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@thehandsomezach @tznkai also, i sell cakes, cookies, and other baked goods, and donate them as well -- i post about it all the time -- so i have the double-headache now of people being exposed to the lie that i don't believe in hand-washing when i am trying to give/sell them food. that really sucks — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@thehandsomezach @tznkai so now for the rest of my career i'll have to deal with people having this private belief that one of my thoughts is that poor people are too stupid to wash their hands, and i'll never know who thinks it or not, and i'll spend time correcting this lie i never believed — PolitiTweet.org

Elizabeth Bruenig @ebruenig

@tznkai @tschlic i get that your position is that anyone can do or say anything they want to me because i have a bunch of followers on twitter. from my point of view, that's not really fair. — PolitiTweet.org