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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith @JaymeNiezgoda68 I believe, on the contrary, that all uses are more abhorrent than any mentions, even the ones I'd look askance at — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith @JaymeNiezgoda68 I did not say no one should be offended by any mention ever, though I do think being offended is highly overrated and if you're capable of never being offended it serves you well. I'd definitely look askance at some conceivable mentions, which would still be different than uses — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith @JaymeNiezgoda68 Of course there are different types of mentions. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith @JaymeNiezgoda68 Actually, it started with me saying colleges should be explicit about the rules, and you saying (wrongheadedly, in my view) that the use-mention distinction is overblown. (No one exposed to a "use" feels that way.) — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
The latest Up for Debate is out: https://t.co/oXqztuGokJ Lots of ground covered, including some classic War on Drugs logic being deployed as Colombia ponders legalizing cocaine. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BWH85 https://t.co/bPi8tBfrXL — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @LittleMammith @and_furiouser @JaymeNiezgoda68 Sorry what? You guys were discussing a story and I linked to a piece I wrote about that story. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BWH85 Also, The Atlantic's editorial team is consistently excellent — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BWH85 But some of those policies--like going after Disney's special district status--makes governance in his state worse, not better, so on that sense is is worse than Newsom's purely performative stunt — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith @JaymeNiezgoda68 Why do you want the students to shame and shun? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BWH85 I did not write the headline, but the similarity between Newsom and DeSantis it alludes to is their focus on picking culture war fights to raise their national profiles — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
He’s the governor of a disaster-prone state with 39 million residents, and he’s bragging about trolling MAGA sycophants on an off-brand Twitter? https://t.co/eScsWKfcFi — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@LittleMammith @and_furiouser @kevinh8swriting @JaymeNiezgoda68 Students are being acculturated to take offense in ways that don't serve them, and I'm not sure why so many well-meaning administrators don't see the harm being done *to the young people* — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@LittleMammith @and_furiouser @kevinh8swriting @JaymeNiezgoda68 More details on that one: https://t.co/jLoPJbGrV8 — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@geogvma @thesurfersgirl This seems rather unresponsive to the argument presented, which I'm not even convinced that you understand — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
Democratic partisans like it when Gavin Newsom spends his time attacking right wingers. But as a resident of the state he governs I want him spending his time fighting the problems that ail the Golden State, where right wingers have no power. https://t.co/eScsWJX3ra — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@geogvma 1. William Deresiewicz is one of the most thoughtful essayists of his generation. 2. Lots of people are in fact alienated from academia because they hold standard anti-woke critiques, which have a lot of truth to them. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
IMHO the choices parents, policymakers and students are making aren't entirely unconnected from decisions made in the humanities. See for example https://t.co/cc6uRuxP0L Does that make anyone want to be an English major? — PolitiTweet.org
Benjamin Schmidt @benmschmidt
Here's the really big picture: STEM and medical majors continue to take over. This is a choice that's been made by… https://t.co/2n68ZKh4hC
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @LittleMammith @and_furiouser My comment is, I am consistently against such things, and to hell with your whataboutism. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @LittleMammith @and_furiouser The administrators that punished him included? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith Again, I would ask you to consider this case https://t.co/jLoPJbGrV8 Has something not gone wrong? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser Sorry, I'm not going to let you change the subject from the shitty thing I was documenting in the column you recommended with this whataboutism. I write about many things we don't happen to be talking about right now. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith It is always offensive to use a slur, but mentioning an offensive slur when quoting others isn't inherently offensive--it is something we've decided to treat as offensive, and so when it happens, people take offense to it. I get it, but I am not sure that is helping anyone. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser @LittleMammith It is extremely offensive for someone to say, "I hope you die of AIDS." When I worked for Andrew Sullivan, I was dismayed to see him get such hate mail. But it is not offensive for me to say, "When I worked for Andrew, he got hate email that said, 'I hope you die of AIDS.'" — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@and_furiouser @kevinh8swriting Piss Christ is a useful analog. I wonder what you think of it, @kevinh8swriting? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser If a text is describing, say, a person being pulled over by cops in the South in 1957, and the cop uses that word, is the word's sting a distraction or inseparable from the intent of the author who recounted his personal experience? Can't you see how reasonable people disagree? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser (Though I suspect you'll concur that in some adjacent cases, not only is it the students, but their position is hard to defend) https://t.co/jLoPJboiH0 ) — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser (whispers) maybe it's the administrators — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser Regardless, it is shitty to falsely impugn his motives, which you failed to address while opining on what you think is correct. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kevinh8swriting @and_furiouser This is one of many questions on which reasonable professors with years of pedagogical experience and subject matter expertise differ. If you want to impose your judgment on the ones who disagree with you then you're more persuaded of your infallibility than I am mine. — PolitiTweet.org
