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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht @glukianoff Would you be comfortable if, in the hiring and tenure processes, academic institutions required an essay from applicants describing their commitment to opposing the murder of police? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht @glukianoff What I was suggesting here is that college adminis are creating hiring processes that implicitly conflate their highly ideological, not at all rigorous, widely contested understanding of what it means to fight racism, & trying to exclude even people who fight racism in other ways — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht I agree that trigger warnings aren't especially central to their thesis--they're used as an illustrative example, not a statement of The Thing that is wrong--which I assume is why their article didn't go into it more. But I still don't know what defense of TW you'd have wanted — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@EOpsych This is a straw man. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@EOpsych I say nothing of the sort. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht We need to do what? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht They were writing to criticize trigger warnings as actually deployed on college campuses--which is to say, without rigor--but perhaps I'd agree there is a view they should have included if someone would articulate an example. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht @glukianoff Some widely held viewpoints, like being against Stalin, or against racism, are widely considered good, including by me, but forcing faculty hires to draft statements detailing their support for those projects is bad and functions as an ideological litmus test. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht I am not dodging the point. I tried to get you to say what you think they should have included but didn't, and you said you didn't want to talk about it alone with me, you wanted them to have talked about the defense that shall not be named — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht @glukianoff On ideological tests, I don't know if you'd agree that diversity statements in hiring qualify, but I expect you agree that they have been spreading in roughly that period? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht I think the problem is that vast swaths of academia embraced trigger warnings without debate *or any evidence of effectiveness* and that subsequent research suggests they do more harm than good just as "Coddling" suggested — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht @glukianoff Administrators engaging in viewpoint discrimination. Adjuncts not having their contracts renewed because of controversial views. Papers unpublished. Ideological tests in hiring. Formal policies that constrain speech. Etc. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht @glukianoff If you construe the problem as *faculty getting formally fired for speech* I would say that you are construing it far too narrowly. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @sivavaid: It's hard to exaggerate how unlikely Gorbachev's rise was and his moves were. He had no antecedent. And nothing about his bac… — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht The conceit that nothing has changed since circa 2014 is just wrong. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht Unfortunately free speech violations are not rare in American higher education, as folks like @glukianoff can tell you, and administrators usurping faculty in campus governance while eating up more and more budget is ubiquitous. Both are bad for academia. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht Don't keep me in suspense! — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wil_da_beast630 I don't have to wait, I saw Get Out and the many white people cast in it as villains, as well as white people cast in Us. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht Do you think there is a sound argument in favor of trigger warnings that piece failed to grapple with? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht My work is broadly civil libertarian. It doesn't focus on NSA employees who aren't engaged in warrantless spying, or cops who aren't violating the 4th Amendment, or administrators who aren't violating free speech rights, because my focus is on problems and how to remedy them. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht I don't think I was working on any piece in particular in that thread? But I don't remember for sure. It was this piece on empowering faculty over administrators to better protect free speech https://t.co/UwmAVjtRp9 — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht I do that. For example: https://t.co/sUtfT0iyzZ — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey Folks on the right saying they perceive ideological discrimination and folks on the left saying they engage in ideological discrimination and seeing instances of such discrimination are three of the factors — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht Oh, that includes but is not limited to DEI administrators. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@trizzlor @GScottShand @ijbailey I'd be a bit less dramatic and say a mainstream conservative would have their career prospects dimmed due to ideological discrimination, not that they'd have zero chance of any job anywhere. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey My claim is that Jeff couldn't have both been open about his political beliefs as he has been and also avoid being discriminated against in the academic job market. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @JaredKlemp @seanhecht Every time I make a claim you change the subject to a different thing. What do DEI administrators have to do with my treatment of faculty, which is what we were discussing? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @seanhecht @JaredKlemp That does not accurately characterize either of their work on cancel culture. For starters, see Rauch's cancel culture checklist piece. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @seanhecht @JaredKlemp So you can reliably identify unconscious biases of strangers by reading a subset of their work but you can't identify any of your own even upon reflection? I am skeptical that both of those things could be true. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@M_BobRyan @seanhecht @JaredKlemp How in your account? — PolitiTweet.org
