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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@DStrungk @CathyYoung63 @wokal_distance @dan_jeezy @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs Of course they were deceived. They were not told, *we want to send you to Martha's Vineyard as a political stunt to highlight the hypocrisy of people we expect to not want you there.* But that was the truth. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@Apolocalypses @KayleeDMcGhee @chadfelixg Yes, it was unfair to assume there would be new jobs for 50 people *in September* *on a tiny island with seasonal summer employment that empties out in the winter.* Come on. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@margo_escobedo @KayleeDMcGhee @chadfelixg They were told they were being sent somewhere with the intention of *helping them* but were actually being sent to that place in anticipation that they would be rejected by it and DeSantis would benefit from the political stunt. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs It is an abuse of power. There are greater abuses of power in the world and lesser abuses of power. I am not worried about ranking this one, just correctly recognizing it as an abuse. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tar_revenge @dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs No, even if DeSantis did illustrate empty virtue signalling--let's assume arguendo here that he did--the outrage is that *he did it by deceiving and using others* — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dcbandbooster @KayleeDMcGhee @chadfelixg Deb, do you think they were told, *we're sending you to a famously liberal enclave we don't think wants you in an effort to orchestrate a publicity stunt*? Because that was the truth. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wokal_distance @dan_jeezy @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs You sound like the progressive activists justifying unlawful executive actions because they haven't succeeded in getting their preferred policy through Congress. *What they can do is engage in electoral politics, touting whatever policy solution they think is best.* — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs When did Martha's Vineyard advise any migrant to do anything? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs Dan, imagine that your home was in the shape Venezuela is in now, and you *fled to a foreign country*. You don't speak its language very well. Then a politician in that country deceives you about where you are going and what will happen there. Is "harmless prank" how you'd feel? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wokal_distance @dan_jeezy @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs I agree that the costs should be born equitably, not born overwhelmingly by border states. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @JeffreyASachs No, it doesn't. I am arguing with you in good faith, not trying to trick you into thinking you are crazy, and if you ever use the term with me again I will block you. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs this stunt makes me more averse to your coalition gaining power: it illustrates that, when you feel your coalition has been wronged, or when you feel others are in the wrong, you feel justified in meting out collective punishment. I don't like that. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs You are applying collective guilt to Martha's Vineyard, a community made up of individuals, not a monolith on anything. And you are acting as if only their well-being is implicated when an alert impacts the well-being of the migrants, too. And this is why — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @tar_revenge @trizzlor @IrreverentId @Siege_Pegasus @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs This is not a debate about the wisdom or lack thereof of open borders. It is a debate about whether what DeSantis did was ethical. And no one will answer the question I keep posing: Was it ethical to lie to the migrants? Was it ethical to fail to alert anyone they were coming? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tar_revenge @trizzlor @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs Do you believe it was ethical to lie to the migrants? Do you believe it was ethical to fail to alert anyone that they were coming? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs Do you believe it was ethical to lie to the migrants? Do you believe it was ethical to fail to alert anyone that they were coming? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tar_revenge @trizzlor @IrreverentId @Siege_Pegasus @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs Do you believe it was ethical to lie to the migrants? Do you believe it was ethical to fail to alert anyone that they were coming? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@dan_jeezy @wokal_distance @JeffreyASachs As a longtime follower you get one use of that term instead of the immediate block I'd usually deploy. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@KayleeDMcGhee @chadfelixg You seem to have misunderstood. My tweet was not objecting to the physical location where they ended up, but to the fact that they were deceived and used as a political prop to advance the electoral ambitions of a politician. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs You are citing your frustrations with Democrats, right or wrong, to justify the bad behavior of a Republican. It's like when Democrats cite *the fascists* to justify their own bad behavior. Cathy and I aren't commenting on what Ds do on immigration, but on what DeSantis did. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BillyGribbin You're a speechwriter and you revert to a fabricated quote and a cartoon to express yourself? I'll leave you to siding with the politician over the regular people to whom he lied. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tar_revenge @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs His choices weren't *ignore it* or *use desperate humans as props in a political stunt.* He could have treated them better and also talked about the problem. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs Your construction is bullshit. We have been debating immigration regularly for my entire adult life. The idea that we are only talking about it now after this stunt is contrived nonsense. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tar_revenge @wahoolaw2006 @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs It is unchristian to deceive them, use them as political props, and send them to a tiny town without warning not because it is where they will be best off, but because it is where you find it most politically advantageous to send them. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tar_revenge @wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @JeffreyASachs I am neither fainting nor hysterical. Just correctly observing that DeSantis uses vulnerable people as a pawn to advance his political prospects and lowering my opinion of him accordingly. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BillyGribbin You've now shifted from talking about the residents of MV to the motivations of the state officials, with performative rhetoric thrown in at the end to distract from your shifting goal posts. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@TheAgeofShoddy What are you talking about? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wokal_distance @CathyYoung63 @tar_revenge @JeffreyASachs Lots of whataboutism in this argument. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@BillyGribbin Again, the accounts I am reading suggest the state government decided on where best to house the 50 migrants. You can keep brainlessly repeating "take the L" like the dumbest people on the internet but that doesn't change the facts. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@wokal_distance @JeffreyASachs Well, lots of people who got amnesties lived better lives as a result, their US citizen children benefited too, and the US got citizens assimilated into our system rather than resident aliens existing in its shadows. Seems like a win/win/win. Good move Ronald Reagan! — PolitiTweet.org
