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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV Yes, we have always agreed that the term is highly imperfect and I have never defended it as optimal or consistently applied. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV I think comparing things that are different in many ways but similar in one relevant way is a useful way to draw distinctions and drill down on discrete points and that saying unlike things should not be compared misunderstands the utility of such rhetoric — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV Sure. But none of the people who usually object to cancel culture are objecting. I think I know why that is but I wonder what you think the explanation is? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV They are alike in the narrow and specific way that they are both unevenly applied and sometimes invoked in bad faith--the qualities you raised as reasons to dismiss the validity of one but not the other. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV I think the most rigorous account is this one https://t.co/By1caSTUBY — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV Yes I agree it is a relatively new term. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV I agree that racism is real. I think cancel culture is real too. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV Cancellation also has a well-established history. See e.g. The Scarlet Letter and McCarthyism and The Dixie Chicks after 9/11. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV On the contrary, in both cases, the terms are used by different people in wildly different ways and there is no agreed upon definition, though there are specific examples--racial slurs and Justine Sacco, say--that most people agree qualifies — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV The term "racism" has been weaponized by Fox News hosts. Should we abandon it because some demagogues weaponized it? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV "Racism" is selectively applied. Some say affirmative action is racism. Others use it to describe slavery or housing discrimination. Still others think miscroaggressions are racism, or that Barack Obama was racist. Should we abandon the term because it is contested? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV What's the use of retaining any term that's vague and unevenly applied? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV We have always agreed that some people define "cancel culture" too broadly. Some people define racism too broadly too, but that doesn't make you question whether it exists at all. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV I can't recall insisting that we must connect any two specific events. I do think we should acknowledge an ascendant ideology of illiberal speech policing that seeks to get people shunned or fired not just for flagrant bigotry but for contested and lesser transgressions — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV The answer is *it depends on how you define it, there is no one agreed upon definition, so no one can answer your question* — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV I think antisemitism is wrong and should be opposed wherever it is articulated, and that Kanye has said some abhorrent things, seemingly while suffering a manic episode. It isn't clear to me what the best way forward is with him. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @AuntoV As ever I think that when particular are available it is much better to adjudicate them than to ask the meta question of whether something is "cancel culture" and I'm not sure why you so frequently want to take the conversation there. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @apickelball @mattyglesias We're all speculating about how others feel, and you may have a better sense of that than me; I just know I myself feel as Matt does. I also hope Twitter sweetens the deal in some way that makes me want to pay for a premium service. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@extramsg @mattyglesias I think Matt succeeded spectacularly first in the verification free zone of the blogosphere and again years later in the competitive space of Substack and that it would be both rational and correct to conclude that his blue check mark isn't worth much to him. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @mattyglesias I guess if I was an unknown person I would take the blue check account in your hypothetical, but as a known person with lots of followers familiar with my work I would not value the blue check very much. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @mattyglesias I think the blue check not because it confers status or esteem but because it confers clarity that the person whose article you read or TikTok or YouTube channel you saw is the same person tweeting. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @aephemera @mattyglesias I'll engage with you over most blue checks any day :) — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @mattyglesias If Sam Harris--1.5 million followers--declines to pay $8 per month, while I paid to keep a blue check for my shy of 90k followers, would our relative status change? My sense is no. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @aephemera @mattyglesias I don't take someone more seriously because they are verified. If they say they are Tweeting from a protest in Berlin and they are verified as a Spiegel reporter I do believe them more easily than I would in a no verification system. In other words, the benefit is to followers. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AuntoV @ijbailey I agree nothing will work. I think the question is, what are the effects of however we talk about that on others. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AliceFromQueens @mattyglesias Meh. There's a small benefit from it being less easy for a troll to impersonate me with lies. I'd pay a small amount of money for that but zero for blue check deference premium. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
My sense is that @mattyglesias is correct about this. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AuntoV @ijbailey It's not that I think it would work, it's just that I don't think it's obvious it would work better or worse than the alternative. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
If you dismiss rather than engage with one highly credible interlocutor whose views are at odds with yours I give you the benefit of the doubt. If you repeatedly avoid meaningfully engaging with any top tier critic for years, I conclude you lack the ability to defend your work. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey Why is that naive? — PolitiTweet.org
