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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @graedus29 @normative @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 I am confident that I can best Tucker Carlson in the realm of reasoned argument, or marshalling evidence. In a contest of shamelessly deploying ridicule and nastiness, I suspect he would best both of us. I prefer to engage on terrain that gives me an advantage, not him. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @normative @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 I suspect they are more averse to "establishments" than "experts" but I'm just guessing and would love further study/more info to inform our different instincts — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@roh_tweets @beyerstein Of course I have a problem with that. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@owenrumney @RadioFreeTom @normative @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 There is no evidence to present about much of this. Given that, I think many assumptions being made are unwarranted. Perhaps future evidence will validate them all. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@graedus29 @normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 The horse paste jokes I've seen are mostly aimed at users, not influencers. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@LawyerGeoff @RadioFreeTom @normative @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 It is definitely stupid to take a horse dose of a medicine. No one is contesting that, or certainly not me, anyway. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @graedus29 @normative @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Am I supposed to conclude that there is utility in mocking people seeking street fentanyl depending on their motive for doing so? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@philipbladen1 @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear "social pressure" and "ridicule" are not synonymous! — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @normative @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Some are, I agree. Is that the typical case? I can be persuaded, but I see a lot of assumptions about who these people are and what motivates them, without any evidence grounding it. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 The debate I witnessed was framed in terms of "second hand smoke" and endangering others. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@graedus29 @normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 If you think it's funny for the rubes to endanger their health it's hilarious. Just understand you're the analogue of the Red Tribe person who laughs at the big city drug addict ODing on the latest substitute for meth. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 other instances of regulatory barriers to access causing people to unwisely substitute more dangerous substitutes. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Lots of people in rural areas take veterinary versions of drugs that also have uses for humans. It is extremely common. Disdainful mockery of that practice by urban elites is alienating, not persuasive. It is also utterly at odds with how urban elites respond to — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Except the *horse paste* mocking is largely from people who don't seem to understand that this is, in fact, a human medicine too, so their mockery doesn't land. It reinforces the impression that the mockers are uninformed consensus Dittoheads. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 I was present for one such argument circa 2003 but no one turned to the smokers and said *ha ha you fucking idiot you're inhaling cancer!* Obviously judgment was implicated on some level but there was not flagrant contempt for and open mocking of smokers — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @JenSeniorNY @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 *Sark — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @JenSeniorNY @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Were they drinking Scotch in MadMen? I always wondered what *exactly* they would have been drinking. Like, Cutty Dark? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Progressives would see that logic immediately if we were talking about some unproven HIV medication... no one urges shame as a public health strategy unless the outgroup is the object of shame. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Taking Ivermectin isn't something anyone has to advertise. But shaming could have the effect of making people less likely to discuss it with their doctor and more likely to seek other sources for it. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 No one "ridiculed" smokers at businesses. They made them walk a Ross the parking lot to the smoking area to partake. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 See DARE. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Shaming serves the function of distinguishing in and out groups. When members of your in group shame you that can be effective. When you're the object of shaming by the outgroup that can strengthen your position in the in group. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@normative @RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 For *some* behavior changes, not *any* behavior change. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@RadioFreeTom @WojtechBear @philipbladen1 Smoking has been studied to death. What's the best citation you can marshal for the proposition that ridicule was a "big part" in falling smoking rates? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@SHComposer @Robsouthwood77 No one who last rode a bike a 13 climbs on a motorcycle cold at 26 and imagines they know how to ride it already — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@WojtechBear @RadioFreeTom @philipbladen1 It isn't disdainful ridicule that changed their status. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ASFleischman @beyerstein I haven't dug that far into the weeds but my impression is that it's 1) reasonable to have clinical studies 2) utterly foolish to rely on as a not getting Covid strategy given current evidence — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@beyerstein I'm not playing semantic games, I'm urging you to rise to the level of precision that responsible commentary requires rather than indulging in the impulse to be flip and condescending in ways that mislead many observers, lime Tucker Carlson does. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@beyerstein Do you think the doctors running the clinical trials are unethical? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@beyerstein Your Tweet gives the casual reader the incorrect impression that Ivermectin is a horse medicine rather than a medicine with both human and animal applications, and one with ongoing human clinical trials. — PolitiTweet.org
