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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@noUpside @micsolana @kimmaicutler I disagree that it's never been taken seriously before. Human rights law provisions and vaccine exemptions in multiple polities point to it being taken seriously, though there is, I hasten to add, a very strong case for vaccine mandates too. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@IsaLeeWolf It isn't clear to me as a vaccinated person to what degree the unvaccinated increase my risk of getting serious Covid. It's one bit of info that will shape my ultimate view on this. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AmandaMarcotte I can see that argument, and it's definitely a liberal position, though I wouldn't say "the." Different folks reason differently on the same sides of both issues. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@themattylee @JillFilipovic @badler Yes, and that distinction could prove decisive. Then again, the certainty of ending a fetal life versus the uncertainty of an unvaccinated person contracting and spreading Covid cuts in the other direction. I'm not arguing for how courts should or would rule. I don't know. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@Dmurphyryan I am extremely pro vaccination. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JillFilipovic @badler I suspect that opponents of a mandate will make the case that the privacy interest outweighs the public health interest and the proponents of the mandate the opposite. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JillFilipovic @badler Not at all, and I'm going to go reread Roe now. I recall it finding a right of privacy, though not an unconstrained one, given it's finding of a state interest in protecting prenatal life. The question would be how privacy vs protection of life would be balanced wrt a vaccine, & — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@thormaster111 Vaccine or insurance could handle that. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@mattyglesias @bdomenech Thanks will read — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@annamerlan It seems to me that the 1905 and on vaccine precedents are in tension with the 1970s and on medical privacy precedents. Maybe I'm wrong but I am not just randomly musing on them, they appear to be the two most significant things SCOTUS could decide in the near future — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@davidbix Very normal way to converse, David — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@noUpside @doritmi Thanks! — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@colinwoodesq @noUpside @micsolana @kimmaicutler Time for me to reread all these — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
(Some people raise variants as a reason to mandate vaccines. Is there anything to that or not? And does the much higher number of global non-vaccinated render that effectively moot? Or not? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@tcddoyle @kimmaicutler Because Roe is largely about a right to privacy in medical decisions. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@noUpside @micsolana @kimmaicutler Yes, it seems very thorny with lots of tensions to me. How does one measure the certainty of killing a fetus against the higher probability of being a conduit for a virus that spreads via super spreaders and kills (I don't know exactly) percent of people infected? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@annamerlan It isn't clear that distinction resolves the tension with the logic of Roe. At least not to me, but perhaps you have thoughts on that I'm not seeing? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@zfurnas If it's airlines doing it I think that's different than the government doing it. If I owned an airline, I would mandate it. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@noUpside @micsolana @kimmaicutler As someone with libertarian inclinations, it seems to me that the privacy logic of Roe should be applied to many other issues by those who believe in it, but I think that there is much inconsistency because people like the results more than the reasoning. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
1) What's the closest we can come to quantifying the risk an unvaccinated person poses to a vaccinated person? 2) How many people can't be vaccinated for medical reasons and what does their risk calculus look like with and without the mandate? Probably other questions too... — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
I'm quite conflicted about vaccine mandates. In favor for doctors and nurses, military personnel and others. And I believe private companies have a right to require them and that many should. (Airlines are one example.) But for what Biden is suggesting I have these questions: — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@badler Obviously. Will that distinction prove decisive in a privacy analysis of the penumbras of the 14th amendment? That isn't clear to me. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@skidoosh10 They are obviously different in many ways, and I am quite conflicted about both — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@thormaster111 I was referring to the logic of Roe which is rooted in a right to privacy that is at the very least in tension with vaccine mandates. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@fighting_wxrds How do you verify vaccination if not by intruding into private medical matters? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@kimmaicutler Do you not see any tension with the logic of Roe? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@SciencePartisan @rasmansa @AlanLevinovitz @kmele @NewLiberalsPod There's no hypocrisy. I don't think people should deliberately be mean, myself included. I haven't been absolutely perfect in my life at meeting that difficult standard; it is not hypocrisy to believe it is the right standard to aspire to — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
Evidently we're going to have a debate about vaccine mandates and abortion at the same time--that is, both culture war tribes are simultaneously going to take both positions on the rights to medical privacy and "my body my choice" autonomy — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AdamSerwer It's not so far off from an actual Black Mirror episode. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@SciencePartisan @AlanLevinovitz @rasmansa @kmele @NewLiberalsPod These are the definitions I'm working with. https://t.co/rUGlhB0YCJ — PolitiTweet.org
