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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Exactly. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 24, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 The just as applies to one dimension--the one that is named in the next clause--not all dimensions. "Just as in combat years before, the boxer's adrenaline surged when the fighting commenced in earnest" does not convey that the boxing match was just as dangerous as the combat. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 24, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey @NGrossman81 If someone says, "Just as in Hitler's Germany, Trump and his populist right minions are attacking the press as the enemy of the people," do you think they're saying Trump is just as alarming as Hitler? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 24, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude We fundamentally disagree about the logical structure of my argument, so folks reading along will just have to judge for themselves whose analysis is correct on that point. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 24, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude Again, the claim was that my arguments hold whether one believes the speech was offensive or not--even if they were offensive, the administrators behaved badly. What you call a fatal flaw isn't what I in fact argued. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude We can consider it and reach either conclusion and all my arguments about administrator excesses hold. That was my framing. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude My readers are thoughtful and discerning, and imagining yourself as superior to them and fretting about how the ostensibly inferior will react is a kind of elitism that I reject in my approach to journalism. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude You haven't specified any hyperbole or exaggeration — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude "At least twice." — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude I agree that there needs to be a process. The question is what happens in that process when a complaint is filed that would be unpunishable *even if its substantive claims were validated.* Court cases like that are thrown out. I favor a similar process for complaints. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@PanicBig @jathansadowski I'm not being obtuse. If civility and debate etiquette are used by people in power to neutralize protest and subversive discourse--and I agree--what would stop "microaggressions", often defined as unintentional slights, from being used in the same way, given their overlap? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude Yes, and that specific action is giving students the option to talk one on one with the person who offended them https://t.co/kKdkRz7pc0 — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@popeofscientism I don't watch much TV and I have a low opinion of it. I read a lot of the New York Times, so let's use that as an example. I am a frequent critic, but it's also clear to me that it publishes a lot of valuable stuff that's in the public interest. Do you disagree? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude Again, my claim is directly supported by the director of DEI's own assertion that the course he wanted to pursue in this matter was in part because he doesn't "want to make our office look like an ineffective source of resolution." — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@PanicBig @jathansadowski What's your understanding of power dynamics? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude Without support? The Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion specifically told the student that he was reluctant to endorse the approach of informal one on one talks among students because "I also don’t want to make our office look like an ineffective source of resolution" — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@joke2power White supremacy has been among its organizing principles, but not exclusively. Union busting. McCarthyism. Prohibition. Sodomy laws. Anti-Semitism. There are many dimensions of authoritarian intolerance. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@popeofscientism Okay, well, I see the *the press is the enemy of the people* rhetoric is an obvious ploy by authoritarian politicians to discredit the main entity that calls out their misbehavior. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude That said, I'd be happy to hear what specifically it should have included, to pass your threshold for complete? Perhaps I'll agree with you that what you have in mind should have been included. Let's hear it. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@popeofscientism The press has many flaws. There is also a reason why the Founders took care to protect it with the First Amendment: it is a vital check on government power, and a country without a free press would be more, not less prone to authoritarianism. This is so, so obvious. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude The piece is about the actions of administrators. It specifies that its points hold *regardless of whether the email in question was offensive* and defends those who took offense, cautioning against denigrating their subjective judgment. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude What in that article do you find to be "catastrophizing"? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@brucemillerca Huge error on your part. That isn't middle of the roadism. It's being in the 99th percentile along the dimensions *cares about freedom of speech and expression* and *mistrusts government control of information.* — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@popeofscientism That is a vast overgeneralization. There were war skeptics as well as war hawks in the media; the hawks *shared the position of a majority of the public at the time*; and they got the story wrong in part because it was difficult to know the truth about WMDs — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude You have one last opportunity to put forth a critique of substance. Do you have one? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@popeofscientism What's a specific example? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jathansadowski I think you're evading an answer because the activist left is constantly policing civility under names like "microaggressions" and "cultural competence training" and claims of feeling "triggered" by words. Lots of positions on civility are defensible, but consistency is necessary — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@franklinleonard @CaitlinPacific @bariweiss There is no reason to think the examples Bari sites are unfortunate consequences of advances in social justice, as opposed to injustices that harm rather than help efforts to increase justice, a cause many people are pursuing in effective ways that have no collateral damage — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@popeofscientism Patrick: no, they are not. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jathansadowski Do you consider "microaggression" discourse a form of civility policing? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted Oct. 23, 2021