Conor Friedersdorf

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

I have found no evidence of that. No one has cited any evidence of it. Yet it's treated in piece after piece as though it's *obviously* a well-grounded concern. I want more than question begging on this point, partly for normal reasons of rigor, but also because — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

Is there any evidence that content on Netflix can lead to direct harm? Yes, 13 Reasons Why, seems to have done so, and was irresponsible, given what we've long known about suicide. https://t.co/p9PttebtZ2 Is there any comparable evidence of a comedy special doing harm? Ever? — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

Here's part of @jelani9's article on The Closer that deals with a claim I've been thinking about more 1/x https://t.co/lG8ipk7u1r — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 I rather think that we've exhaustively aired both of our perspectives on this. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 With all due respect, anonymous account with Spock avatar and 122 followers, *my arguments are already taken seriously* — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 The qualified defense of the line I've made since this conversation began is correct: the claim was not that the GA is just as alarming as the CR. We can argue about whether the actual claim is correct, but that *you're saying they're equivalent* claim is false. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 seize on whatever they believe to be the dumbest line in the piece, focus on it obsessively, and evade grappling with any of its many strong critiques. That's how it looks from where I set, FWIW--a game of gotcha more than an attempt to understand where she's coming from — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 If we could step back for a moment, from my perspective, this two day conversation about one line in her piece is notable in that the piece in question has many specific injustices that Bari sketches, but that none of her critics pay any attention to--instead, they — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 make them, my reaction is not to dismiss them out of hand or to demagogue others who do like @ijbailey is doing — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 Because they see things like the roots in the academy and the young reporting their teachers and "struggle sessions" as similar, the farce to the Car's tragedy. As I said, I don't know yet what I think about those claims in a nuanced way, but when people who went through the CR — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 I have heard explicit affirmations of point one paired to point two--e.g. on the Fifth Column podcast most recently. And I've described a position I know many people to have from talking to many people about these subjects. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 You're just wrong about that. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 And I do not think that carefully qualified historical comparisons of this sort are straightforwardly illegitimate. But then again, you don't either, having just defended the Trumpian instance in this thread. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 I bought a few books that I haven't yet got to on the CR to evaluate these claims myself after this comparison was drawn by people who'd actually lived through the CR. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @gbb317 @TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 You seem unable to hold these two ideas in your head at once: 1) The Great Awokening is not the moral equivalent of or just like or just as bad as or as alarming as the Cultural Revolution. 2) Some who affirm point one see resonances between THG and the CR that alarm them. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

RT @costareports: thread on Willard from "Peril" After Pence leaves Oval on Jan. 5, Trump is furious. Pence isn't breaking. He opens the d… — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey @TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @NGrossman81 Maybe we should run a survey on Mechanical Turk to see if the average reader thinks the claim was that the Awokening is just as alarming as the Cultural Revolution or that it has alarming resonances of the Cultural Revolution. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Well, her premise is that they are both negative cultural revolutions, which is kind of baked in here. And then they're similar along the dimension of how the ideas spread. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 We all agree that *extremely bad thing* was bad, and while this isn't nearly as extreme, thank goodness, it has resonances of the thing that we all agree is bad that should make us take it seriously, especially when literal people who went through the bad thing see resonances — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Phrased that way neither seem likely. The likeliest point as in most comparisons of this sort seems to be something like the following: — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 You say I'm applying a "strict interpretation" but it would be more accurate to say I'm presuming the literal meaning is the meaning rather than presuming a meaning beyond what the words say. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 To me the other interpretation is much less probable. Perhaps that's because I'm familiar with Bari's views from other output and conversations, but I think it's because my interpretation is usually what people are trying to convey with such formulations. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 I'd be happy to. And in the future, if you accuse me of bad faith again, I will block you. Now I will go answer your question. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 On the contrary, I have not lied about anything or evaded any question or argumemt. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ETVPod @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Nope, I don't use media to spread confusion :) — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude No, we engaged and came to an impasse on one question after both airing our perspectives. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

RT @NewLiberalsPod: I’m on a road trip. Currently in Nevada. Just finished dinner. Sat next to a husband and wife from Chile. Lived here s… — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude @TruthsandLies14 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 The claim being made is that the Cultural Revolution and the Great Awakening are alike along one specified dimension: the ideas takeover the academy first and then spread to other institutions. It is not at all difficult to discern that that is the claim being made. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@TruthsandLies14 @larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 I neither defended nor criticized the use. I argued that it obviously wasn't saying the two things were equally alarming, but rather that they were alike along one specified dimension. — PolitiTweet.org

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@larisimilitude @ijbailey @NGrossman81 https://t.co/z1C7VSEzGE — PolitiTweet.org