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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@Darchmare I agree. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
It isn't clear to me that Joe Rogan's podcast has caused thousands, let alone hundreds of thousands, to not be vaccinated, or that his podcast would be any less popular or profitable if he never talked about COVID at all, given how popular it was before the pandemic began. — PolitiTweet.org
miscellarny @miscellarny
@conor64 It really would be nice if speech that causes hundreds of thousands to not be vaccinated, likely leading t… https://t.co/DGSKTZdUMM
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
Do you think that any exercise of freedom of association is beyond criticism, or that some exercises of freedom of association, while legally protected, might warrant criticism? — PolitiTweet.org
david @davidamann
@conor64 States are writing the censorship of The 1619 Project into law. Citizens are exercising rights of free s… https://t.co/dHC46c7i0A
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
Yes, there is a difference. Nevertheless, one might believe, as I do, that bad ideas are best met with engagement and rebuttal rather than pressure campaigns designed to prevent others from ever hearing them, regardless of whether economic or legal pressure is the tool of choice. — PolitiTweet.org
James Geluso @atlemar
@conor64 Is there not a difference between trying to use economic pressure and enacting laws?
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
If you think a viewpoint is wrongheaded do you push back against it with more speech or do you try to prevent others from ever being exposed to it? That's the distinction. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
The 1619 Project was widely lauded and read. It was also subject to efforts to suppress rather than argue against it. The same goes for Joe Rogan. The faction of would-be suppressors rather than debaters and their tactics is "cancel culture" whether or not they succeed. — PolitiTweet.org
Mike Masnick @mmasnick
It's not cancel culture if multiple websites are fighting to pay you $100 million to be *their* ignorant podcaster. https://t.co/ZHOuwGesNk
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
So long as significant factions on the right and left fail to embrace core liberal insights and values about language in education, students will be ill-served by whichever strain of illiberalism happens to wield power. https://t.co/AKzq8gtpaS — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
"Ignoring the use-mention distinction—or acculturating students to reject it—vests the mere mention of nasty language with more power to disconcert or wound, not less." https://t.co/AKzq8gtpaS — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @pmarca: "Moral panic happens when 'a condition, episode, person or group of persons emerges to become defined as a threat to societal v… — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
Students lose out when the language police ignore the distinction between using offensive words and discussing them. https://t.co/AKzq8gtpaS — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
The Tennessee school board that nixed Maus from the curriculum and the Illinois college administrators who punished a law professor for an exam question both made the same illiberal mistake. https://t.co/AKzq8gtpaS — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@bluekel You should read Mill and Jonathan Rauch to understand the vital importance of a culture of free speech to our society. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JayFay75 @AkivaMCohen Someone didn't read the article — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@mattsteinglass Personally I think it would be good if Fox dropped Tucker Carlson. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@AkivaMCohen Sometimes badly and with harmful consequences. In those cases I criticize them. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@bluekel Out of curiosity, if Google started firing employees for (say) attending a pro choice rally during their time off would you consider that a free speech issue? (Not a First Amendment issue. A free speech issue.) — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
I'd be curious to discuss this article with Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. https://t.co/pqfdo3ITID — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ASFleischman Indeed. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Gonna pause and reflect on all this for a bit before writing more — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 I can respect your position. I just don't understand why Rogan is the only one you're applying it to in a media landscape where almost no one upholds the standards that you think ought to exist. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @NGrossman81 I'm going to stop responding to you when your reading comprehension fails in a way that leads you to mistake my views. Its not worth the time to correct you repeatedly just to get to the point where you grasp my actual stated meaning. Good night. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @JamesSurowiecki @NGrossman81 *probe — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey @CathyYoung63 @JamesSurowiecki @NGrossman81 What's astonishing is your inability to see the difference between me asking you about your views, which I was doing, and stating my views, which I wasn't doing. It's as if you can't conceive of questions motivated by a desire to prove your reasoning rather than to advance a view — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Put another way, you seem to be confident that corrections would make a significant difference in sparing people from bad conclusions influenced by misinformation, whereas I have doubts about that. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 I also think the factual errors you are harping on, while deserving of a correction for accuracy's sake, aren't especially consequential in shaping the vaccination decisions of anyone, in comparison to anti-vax and vax skeptical statements that aren't technically inaccurate — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 with many critics (not you) hoping for its deplatforming. And I think it is being held to glaring double standards and misleadingly cast as a misinformation outlier. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 I agree. (I actually don't know whether or not Rogan ever spoke about that again.) I agree with many of your substantive critiques. But they come in a context of his show being attacked as so anomalously bad and dangerous as to be worthy of boycott and contempt, — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@snboyle @JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Thanks, very useful! — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 For that matter does Slate run all its conversation podcast episodes through fact check? I'm not sure but I doubt it. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@JamesSurowiecki @flipforchips @CathyYoung63 @ijbailey @NGrossman81 Like, do you think Oprah fact checked her episodes? — PolitiTweet.org
