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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@BAlbertBen *Of course* the prevalence of racism is up for debate. How prevalent is it? Even among the most careful and earnest scholars who study the question there is disagreement. How prevalent do you think it is? Do you think your answer should be unchallengeable? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@SailofIgnorance I think he sometimes airs info that should definitely be public, but that what one gets from following him is *this is the most ridiculous stuff I could find* not *this is what's typical* or even *here's how frequent the ridiculous stuff is taught* — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@SaysSimonson It isn't "throat-clearing." I've written pieces myself flagging curriculum I find objectionable or worthy of scrutiny. E.g. https://t.co/ISPtzQLHB9 But there is very little *comprehensive sense of what's being taught* rather than *bad thing that exists w/o knowing how common* — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

"Testical tanning" is one example in a larger set of bizarre Tucker Carlson segments that @libsoftiktok would feature if it were posted by a left-seeming twenty-something instead of being broadcast by a Fox host. What a strange culture we inhabit. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

IMHO, public discourse on school curriculum would be well-served by quality journalistic efforts to clarify *what is actually taught* about race and gender in different school systems around the country, instead of everyone making wildly disparate guesses & proceeding from there. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey I mostly agree, the only caveat being that CRT is not just one thing, and I bet I could find a CRT scholar who does think those things. But a large majority would indeed reject those premises. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

TLDR: *We welcome difficult and uncomfortable conversations so long as none of our assumptions are challenged.* — PolitiTweet.org

Erika Sanzi @esanzi

This is a good example of what communications from "diversity and inclusion" committees and task forces often look… https://t.co/b7SOe2I9b9

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@andrewpcone @ijbailey Yep. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@andrewpcone @ijbailey Very much agree with this too. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@andrewpcone @ijbailey Yes, I agree. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@CrockerThad @ijbailey I think some of today's partisan divide is rooted in lower class whites saying *I was born to an alcoholic mother w/ fetal alcohol syndrome and beaten / abused throughout childhood. Now I'm 18 and work at 7/11.* & perceiving Democrats replying, *you're benefitting from racism.* — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@rinanpakkala @ijbailey If that's the standard, weird things follow. For example, African Americans were not negatively impacted by the racist Chinese exclusion act or other 20 C. bans on non-European immigration. But it would be weird to describe them as benefitting from racism, yes? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@andrewpcone @ijbailey I agree that we can glean valuable insights even from wrongheaded belief systems and should try to do so. I also think you don't actually need CRT to get the insights we are discussing here. Lots of people grasped them long before CRT emerged. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@PersistentSeekr @ijbailey My position is, "in a racist society white people are better-off on average than black people, but white people and black people are worse off than they would be in a non-racist society." — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@andrewpcone @ijbailey I agree that one could make different claims that are true. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@PersistentSeekr @ijbailey What does that look like in the example of the dismal life that I sketched? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@andrewpcone @ijbailey If that is the answer it is a weak one because it is not necessarily true. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@CrockerThad @ijbailey Sure. Or maybe the local convenience store was run by an immigrant who only hired employees that spoke her language. Either scenario is possible! Both happen. "All" is not supportable. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey 2) it's hard to understand how, say, a white baby born to an alcoholic mother who suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome, is beaten and abused throughout childhood, and dies at 16 while drunk driving "benefits from racism." What's the answer if this is true of all white people? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey "All whites benefit from racism" is quite a claim. There are two strong counters to it. 1) in important senses, everyone in a society with racism is harmed by it. Eliminating racism would benefit everyone including whites, as it exacts terrible costs. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

Seeing so many powerful institutions elevate the same narrative raises concerns that what skeptics call “Big Disinformation” is trendy groupthink that could itself distort national priorities or perceptions of reality––and infringe on free speech https://t.co/3VC7EQyRFt — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

To fight disinformation, maintain a culture of skeptically questioning claims and demanding evidence rather than stigmatizing that mode as an affront. https://t.co/3VC7EQyRFt — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@onekade @dansereduick Which reply specifically do you see as not wanting to treat trans people as human beings? — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jeffjarvis First, don't put words I did not say in quotation marks! I said you have no evidence for the assertions you make about what motivates a set of positions, and ignore the fact that people of all races hold those positions. You have no answer to either critique. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@JamesSurowiecki @mehdirhasan @adamdavidson Also curious! — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jayrosen_nyu @jeffjarvis I had you covered two weeks ago https://t.co/gwjErw6CcF — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@dansereduick @onekade It's not bad faith, you're just being unduly uncharitable, so you erroneously categorize it that way. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jeffjarvis Defensiveness? I was not a signatory to the Harper's letter. You really have no answer to this critique do you! Just snippy retorts, going on the attack to hide the glaring death of evidence for your position — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jeffjarvis I should have known I'd get an evasive response rather than a substantive one. — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022
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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@jeffjarvis Its apotheosis may have been when this critique was levied against the Harper's letter. All those signatories of color just implicitly ignored and erased! — PolitiTweet.org

Posted April 21, 2022