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Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey The fact remains that many people who are in the upper classes, in ways that are not at all blurry, will have their student loans subsidized by people who are in the working class, in ways that are not at all blurry. That's a dealbreaker for me. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey It seems like giving money to poor people, rather than people with student debt, would be a better solution to this problem. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey Fair enough. What I understand myself to be opposing is a policy that would involve the members of your family who weren't lucky enough to make it out sending some of their working class wages to subsidize the cost of your education. It sounds like you're doing the opposite. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey I don't understand the "we." The Internet says a typical professor at where you teach makes more than the median average wage, I assume it is salaried, not wage labor, and your job is definitely knowledge work, not manual labor. So in what sense is that working class? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey about the military, it kinda seems like it's own thing, and definitely gives some people upward class mobility to the working class, though I guess the bottom jobs would be working class? College professors I'd say are not working class. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey Laborers in the retail and textile industry, for sure. Non-profit workers are much trickier. If you have a graduate degree and make 6 figures working for the Gates Foundation in a downtown Seattle office, no. But I can think of non-profit jobs where the answer is yes. Not sure — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey "the socioeconomic group consisting of people who are employed in manual or industrial work." — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey I just said, "I don't know about your family"! — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey I answered. You are not right now. I have no idea about your family or your upbringing. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@informema @ijbailey I wonder if loan forgiveness might increase the racial wealth gap. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey I don't know about your family, or your upbringing for that matter, but right now, you are not working class. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey You should feel cheated if the program was captured by rich people who cheated it rather than serving its intended purpose. As I said, I don't know if that happened, because I haven't studied it, but it wouldn't surprise me. The upper classes are good at cheating the system. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey No, there are lots of ways the system should be changed. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey Probably. I haven't studied how those loans were dispersed or how effective they were, though, so I couldn't say for sure. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey What if you're buying the boat to fish? Or run swamp tours? There are some working class people who do that. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey The issue at hand is a regressive attempt by the college attending cohort to get their educational consumption subsidized by the tax dollars of people who did not attend college. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey That analysis works for things everyone consumes, like health care, in a way that it doesn't work for boats and college, which is something many working class people never consumed, and therefore should not have to subsidize. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey The point is that the working class *does* like boats. They would mostly oppose government forgiveness of boat loans because they understand that it's mostly upper class people who have such loans, and it's unfair to ask people without boats to subsidize boat consumption. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@ijbailey If I told you that I was against boat loan forgiveness and that it was a losing policy for folks who wanted to win the working class, would you conclude that I'm saying that the working class doesn't value boats? — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@DanFriedman81 But not everyone is in prison for a violent crime — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @Popehat: I was assured our European friends have just as much substantive free speech as us and their sensible restrictions on speech p… — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @Noahpinion: Someone tell me why competing on a level playing field against totalitarian countries is good or desirable. Screw level pl… — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @michaelbd: WTF? Just let European brands into our markets, even on a temporary basis. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @Noahpinion: Imagine a country where 90% of the people wanted to have a nice offline life where the trains worked and houses were cheap… — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
RT @DKThomp: I know immigration is politically fraught but it’s straight up free agent season for geniuses trying to GTFO of autocratic cou… — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@truelinksy My whole career is writing and defending my beliefs. One of those beliefs is that it is wrong and corrosive of public discourse to join pileons in which you spread falsehoods about others. That is all. Goodnight. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@truelinksy Lots of voices leave this website, making it less good than it would otherwise be, because they get exhausted by people like you acting as if it's okay to spread falsehoods about them just because you have political disagreements with them. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@truelinksy No, your tweets don't make it to senator's offices, they just needlessly make life shittier for people like Noah and make this web site shittier for everyone. Stop trying to justify lying about other people's beliefs. It is unjustifiable. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@truelinksy You're one of dozens of people in his mentions engaging in a harassing pile-on in which everyone feels entitled to be shitty to Noah. I'm telling you you're wrong to do that. — PolitiTweet.org
Conor Friedersdorf @conor64
@truelinksy You misrepresented Noah's ideology by calling him a conservative and you also falsely said that he thinks women are dumb. Those aren't failures of decorum. They are falsehoods. — PolitiTweet.org
