Conor Friedersdorf

Conor Friedersdorf @conor64

@ijbailey @and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas No, that was not my position/argument. If theater workers criticize an artist, I emphatically don't want them fired for it. If they refuse to do their jobs in a way that renders the venue unable to function, I do think the venue has to hire people who will do the job. — PolitiTweet.org

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@danielwinlander @ijbailey @bethanyshondark Not familiar with the details here but I don't think there is any problem with a political party associating with or disassociating with someone because of their political views. — PolitiTweet.org

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@ijbailey @ethelredunread My view that this implicates free expression is not disingenuous. I don't like your position bc we disagree on that. I don't think you are generally against free expression. I do think you coded the free expression view here as right wing. — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @TomCruise_69 @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey I didn't write a piece about this; I merely tweeted that I think what happened is a shame and that it's a political mistake for the left to treat stuff like this as desirable rather than unfortunate. That view is anathema to some. — PolitiTweet.org

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@TomCruise_69 @and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey I wouldn't say that. I just think the way that the workers used their leverage and the way the owners caved to it was unfortunate. Nevertheless I don't favor any legal changes to decrease their leverage. — PolitiTweet.org

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@AGoldmund @SemmiEcon @ethelredunread I am happy to clarify and discuss my position. I have no interest in adjudicating whether or not whatever Tweet you saw first perfectly represented it. If I worded something badly, my bad, but the view I've fleshed out in this thread is my view. — PolitiTweet.org

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@TomCruise_69 @and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey That isn't quite true. I favor laws against harassment, threats of violence, and libel, for example, even if instances of such things are wildly successful in the market. — PolitiTweet.org

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@TomCruise_69 @and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey If that were analogous the venue would say *we don't do comedy* not *we don't do comedy with this particular viewpoint* — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @TomCruise_69 @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey I'd point out that the theater was on record with some rather sweeping claims about how much it values freedom of artistic expression, & would ask them to stop making such claims if their actual position is *we value free artistic expression except for stuff we find offensive* — PolitiTweet.org

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@pervocracy @poppy_haze @MandelaFace If you're willing to pay to book a theater you can absolutely find one where you're able to do just that. — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey I have not seen his film so it isn't an example I can discuss in any particulars. — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey ...if Chappelle has crossed the threshold into deplatforming territory, then to be consistent you're gonna have to deplatform a hell of a lot of comedians. — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey These "outer limits" questions are of course very difficult, in much the same way as "would you kill baby Hitler" and "would you torture someone to stop a ticking time bomb." In all cases I'd just note that *we are not in fact in the extreme case*--that is to say, — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey It is ***not*** a violation of free speech rights. It ***is*** an unfortunate blow to a culture of free expression and artistic freedom, not hugely significant as a one-off, but quite significant if this mode becomes more common. — PolitiTweet.org

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@and_furiouser @SarahGrynpas @ijbailey Lots of people are sanctioning Chappelle's jokes by criticizing them. That's fine by me. Anyone can criticize any joke they like any time and I will always defend their right to do so. — PolitiTweet.org

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@Popehat It seems to me that if spotlight operators and Hollywood grips and comedy club security guards and book industry typesetters all started to boycott projects that expressed views they disliked, they would be exercising their rights in a way that was bad overall for free expression — PolitiTweet.org

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@ijbailey No, this is false. Lots of comics, including Dave Chappelle, tell jokes that I don't particularly like, and nevertheless, I do not want them to be deplatformed. As well, many people contest the claim that Chappelle's jokes are anti-trans. — PolitiTweet.org

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The drag panic of 2022. Very bad. — PolitiTweet.org

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@ijbailey @ethelredunread You and I disagree about whether the Chappelle thing implicated free expression. I think it did, and that by coding FIRE's response as right wing, you are coding free expression as right wing. You disagree bc you don't think free expression was implicated. — PolitiTweet.org

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Another very normal day on Twitter dot com... https://t.co/Patk1WXLvP — PolitiTweet.org

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@ethelredunread @AGoldmund @SemmiEcon It could be, but that isn't the reason I would bet on if forced to put down money. — PolitiTweet.org

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@AGoldmund @SemmiEcon @ethelredunread I'm correct, Alex. The left is divided on free speech and free expression issues, and it is costing Democrats electorally, because millions of people associate the left with trying to deplatform others. The right's awfulness on speech and expression is not at odds w that analysis — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @ShaneDPhillips: Santa Monica, ever the innovator, is breaking new ground in the field of blocking new homes by appropriating the langua… — PolitiTweet.org

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@AGoldmund @ethelredunread Yes, I agree. The right is awful on free speech right now, and the left should seize the opportunity to own the issue. Instead, the left is divided between a free speech faction and a speech policing faction, just as Henry Louis Gates warned about. — PolitiTweet.org

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@sgcafan @ethelredunread https://t.co/2pElCHl1YO — PolitiTweet.org

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@_mike_schilling Both and highly suboptimal! — PolitiTweet.org

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RT @Popehat: @ScottGreenfield what if it were wearing eight shirts — PolitiTweet.org

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@ijbailey @TheRewiredSoul @glukianoff You still have provided no evidence that they weigh in on cultural issues "on the right" more than the left, and I still doubt that you've actually done a tally. Are you just speculating or did you actually tally and count? — PolitiTweet.org

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@JayJayerJayest Lol. I'd say you were being inconsistent and have to pick one or the other. — PolitiTweet.org

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@atlemar @glukianoff No. That way lies madness. — PolitiTweet.org